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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:43 PM
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Just a few thoughts, guess I just need to rant tonight
I don't care the politics, the idealism, the religion (or lack of it), etc of this guy who went on a shooting spree.

He destroyed the lives of so many others, and most dear to me personally he killed a 9 year old, same age as my daughter, for whatever twisted reason he held in his sick mind.

We all are trying to make sense of it, to place blame for it, and in the end the only blame I place is on the person who did the deed.

Not on guns, politics, mental problems, his religious beliefs, rush/beck/palin/, etc. I don't blame our society, or even our health care system. I have been through a hell few here know in my life and I have not done such as this.

This guy does not bring up in me feelings of politics and such, but more so he is an invocation of something I would find in an H.P. Lovecraft story - an evil that cares not for anything but itself. This guy was and is all the things evil from out of our nightmares - not made by others but made by his own curse where he became more about his own mind and all else was not real.

That sad day a little girl fell to the ground, she laid there and died, all her hopes and dreams bled out on the floor of a grocery store. Her life ended because some sick ass freak thought he could change the world by blowing away people in a grocery store. He was and is a sick and twisted worthless human that has done nothing to further whatever his sick cause was.

So many want to make it about them or their cause - politics, gun control, "we are not to blame" etc - we wrestle to make sense of someone who was not any better than other petty tyrants through history - folks who think only of themselves and not others.

We look for a cause. A reason. We look to blame, so that we can find a fix.

If human history is any indication we seek in vain for an answer. We might seek causes, reasons, but in the end many of us ourselves have been through hell and never once done such as this.

Kill someone like me, an older man who has lived his life and certainly has some faults that someone, somewhere, could find enough fault with in their twisted minds - that I can almost get and understand if I had to. But killing a little girl, no - there is nothing there you can claim in your worthless sick mind that would justify it.

I can have sympathy and understanding for a great many things, I cannot here or now or ever for hurting a child. Us adults, we can often rationalize (sadly so I might add) hurting each other for things said or done - I am not really sure why we do, but we do. Kids on the other hand don't have any power to make choices and to punish them for your own sick problems is not just wrong, but really really wrong.

So many are focusing on an elected representative and making that their main focus - for me, I learned all I needed to know by you shooting a little kid. I don't think anyone on the right or left are for that, I don't think Palin or Obama or anyone in between would be for that.

You cannot hide behind politics or some other idealism, you are a sick fucker who had no morals and destroyed the lives of many for some sick reason.

I blame you, and no one else - I don't care what the pundits say, I don't care the politics of you, I care only about your actions.

You did this - no one else.

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joe_sixpack Donating Member (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:48 PM
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1. Great post
What bothers me in watching a little bit of the news coverage, is that it's almost forgotten that there were several other victims, many who lost their lives. Only on PBS, did I see the reporter actually ask the Doctor/Surgeon how the other victims were doing. He paused for a slight second, and then smiled and said "thanks for asking", as if that was the first time in a long day of microphones in his face, that anyone had bothered to think of them.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:49 PM
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2. That has been bothering me as well - and how they have been referred to as "the others".
These were beautiful people with actual names.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:24 PM
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8. With families
and loved ones. :cry:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:00 PM
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3. Thank you for this.
Recommended.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:06 PM
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4. my heart is broken, but moreso by this
You say: "I don't think Palin or Obama or anyone in between would be for that."


Sadly, you are wrong.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x155821


I believe that now is NOT the time to say, "it's not politics." Not as long as there are people like Tina King who are OK with nine-year-old children getting shot in the name of politics.

How many more Tina Kings are out there?

How do we let them know this violent, hate-filled talk must stop?






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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:13 PM
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7. Hate filled talk? I have had my fill of it here and there as well
Me, my mom, dad, great grand parents, etc have all been Christians - and I hear here how evil my family has been, and how stupid they were.

I hear that folks with any religion are stupid, and that the only smart folks are those not like me and my family.

If you have any faith your are associated with child molesting priests, you are one of those people who want to torture others not like - you get labeled as other people of the bible have been throughout the centuries.

On no other board have I been made to feel so bad about myself and my family as I have here - and yet I still know it is a minority of folks who are so judgmental and ignorant.

Hate filled talk is a two way street.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:25 PM
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9. Sorry, but
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 10:41 PM by Tsiyu

i have NEVER seen a person on this website threaten your children or anyone's children. i have NEVER seen a person make the comments here that Tina King made on palin's facebook page in regards to this massacre in AZ.

NEVER


As long as there are Tina Kings in this country wishing for the death of my kids and grandkids, i'm not letting up. My kids and grandkids are not safe with people like her feeling free as the breeze to say what she said. And I will protect them, not some false equivalence.

You do what you need to do and i will do the same.





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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:07 PM
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5. ...and Dorwan Stoddard. Do not forget him.
He shielded the body of his wife with his own. It is easy to remember the fresh face of a child... to be horrified. Please do not forget them. Dorwan, Phyllis Schneck, and Dorothy Morris. They were not children, nor judges, or political figures. They were just there. And they died because of it. Please do not forget them.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:11 PM
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6. Neh: He's ill / he's irrational. He reacts to EMOTION / canary-mineshaft n/t
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:29 PM
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10. He does sound seriously mentally ill.
I appreciated the OP's focus on the victims, which is sorely lacking in much of the commentary.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:37 PM
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11. Mr. Shraby said if it were his child he wouldn't be able to deal
with it. It's a terrible terrible tragedy. He and I can't imagine what that family is going through.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:41 PM
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12. Well said, Thank You. n/t
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:07 PM
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13. i agree ... if i could trade places with that kid, i would. nt
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