Societies that condone their presidents invading nations, murdering innocent people, torturing

[jody]

prisoners, even its own citizens, should not be appalled when one of their own, with or without mental problems, throws moral codes aside and resorts to violence.

U.S. society is guilty of creating the environment in which Jared Lee Loughner grew up and thought if it’s OK for government to murder then it must be OK for citizens.

Heaven help us because IMO there are more Loughner’s out there and they don’t have mental problems.

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[Ichingcarpenter]

2. Are you saying that the US is "Shock and Awe'?

and promotes violence and wars around the world,
is a major exporter of Arms and?
Uses cluster bombs,
Won't sign international treaties that recognizes
the World Criminal Court?

Just asking....

[jaxx]

3. I wondered how long it would take for this to be used.

Unrec for hyping the rage.

[cilla4progress]

4. Exactly - it's so much more

than the recent gun rhetoric on the right .... it's a whole CULTURE of gratuitous violence - physical, financial, sexual. It's a big, fat, ugly comeuppance on many, many levels.

[Sinistrous]

5. Important observation.l

[Catherina]

6. "Of what worth is government, when words have no meaning?"

I received this from a friend in an e-mail. I think it merits much thought.

"Of what worth is government, when words have no meaning?" is the question Loughner asked Giffords and apparently shot her over. Although apparently nonsensical, I think it points to his purpose. The lies comes so hard and regularly from DC that what are we, finally, to make of it? This young, unstable man was also dealing with the same sense of betrayal the rest of us have been dealing with (particularly in the age of Obama). The words of government have no meaning and hence, according to Loughner, it has no purpose.

I don't want to defend his actions in any way. However, two conclusions can be drawn from this interpretation:

1. The same sense of betrayal in government, that BOTH parties work for WallStreet/corporations, hold fake currencies designed to transfer wealth from bottom to top, is the hatred at work here. Many here at CD sense the same DC sham at work. This is actually (my opinion) a legitimate source of rage.

2. Rightwing hate speech may not be as central to this twisted characters behavior as we think. The reason is, ironically, because most of it is so trivially transparent. The bigger problem, to Loughners confused mind, was the problem of political words having lost their meaning. If progressives generally are better spoken (my opinion), his anger at progressives might have been the greater. Case in point, Obama is incredibly erudite, but aren't we all disappointed in the way actions haven't followed words? How much disappointment would a Loughner feel, with his focus on words and meaning?

America has been engaged in a 30 year ponzi scheme expressly designed to destroy the future of a certain generation of Americans: Loughners generation. Now, rightwing media is busy informing them that liberals are the cause of this betrayal. Maybe that finds a home, but I suspect it doesn't. Among the disappointed, disenfranchised, confused and jaded youth of today, no ones words have meaning anymore. Rightwing media's lies are just the easiest to ferret out, but everyone is lying to them. Everyone in government is using meaningless words, even the word 'currency' has no meaning. To most this gives birth to disaffection, low voter turnouts, but to some it hatches anarchy. We are raising a nation of anarchists. If you care about words, about the logic hidden within them, isn't what is coming out of Washington DC a crime against the mind? And what would you do, faced with that crime?

Here is more food for thought

January 8, 2011 was a tough day—six people were killed and many more wounded in a cowardly act of unspeakable violence.

These people awakened on that day, ate their breakfasts, played with their children/grandchildren/parents/friends, made love, brushed their teeth, used the toilet, and any number of other “normal” activities we do every day, and they probably didn’t even imagine that it would be their last day on earth—beating hearts silenced by hatred, ignorance and bigotry. Lives cut short and futures canceled by a murderous and unconscionable massacre.

I hope for the sake of the victim’s families and for international justice that those responsible for this massacre will be held accountable, but unfortunately, they are not even in custody—or even “persons of interest” in this despicable crime.

Oh, did you think I was talking about the “massacre in Tucson” that has been in all the news? Although, that was also a horrible, unspeakable act of violence, I am actually talking about the fact that at least six people were killed in North Waziristan by a Hellfire missile dropped from one of Obama’s drones."

...

There is only one solution to this acute problem—whether the pilot who killed six in North Waziristan, or the shooter that killed six in Tucson—we have to stop killing each other to satisfy the blood lust and greed of the Robber Class.

We lose, they win.

My heart goes out to the people in Tucson, Datta Khel and everywhere who are the victims or survivors of violence.

As an American, the shame I feel for my country is profound.


http://warisacrime.org/content/violence-tucson-datta-khel-cindy-sheehan

Rec'd. Thank you for your thoughtful OP.

[Autumn]

9. That is a truly wonderful e- mail.

Thank you. I hope things are going well for you Sweetie.:hug:

[Nihil]

10. Wish I could recommend your reply - especially the "more food for thought" bit.

> January 8, 2011 was a tough day—six people were killed and many more wounded
> in a cowardly act of unspeakable violence.
>
> These people awakened on that day, ate their breakfasts, played with their
> children/grandchildren/parents/friends, made love, brushed their teeth, used the
> toilet, and any number of other “normal” activities we do every day, and they
> probably didn’t even imagine that it would be their last day on earth — beating
> hearts silenced by hatred, ignorance and bigotry. Lives cut short and futures
> canceled by a murderous and unconscionable massacre.
>
> I hope for the sake of the victim’s families and for international justice that
> those responsible for this massacre will be held accountable, but unfortunately,
> they are not even in custody—or even “persons of interest” in this despicable crime.
>
> Oh, did you think I was talking about the “massacre in Tucson” that has been in all
> the news? Although, that was also a horrible, unspeakable act of violence, I am
> actually talking about the fact that at least six people were killed in North
> Waziristan by a Hellfire missile dropped from one of Obama’s drones."

And, in sharp contrast to all of the palaver about Tucson, the perpetrator of the
Waziristan killings (and everyone who ordered & encouraged those actions) were not
only rewarded for their "work" but went back for a drink, a meal and a chat with
friends.

Double standards that are apparently invisible to so many people in one particular
geographical area.

[conspirator]

12. +1 n/t

[chill_wind]

7. I know that painful examination and truthful expression

of what is found isn't for everyone, but K & R for trying.

[Catherina]

8. Kick for "painful examination and truthful expression" n/t

[KansasVoter]

11. So true!

[cali]

13. what simplistic facile pap.

[Toucano]

14. Civility cannot be restored to politics while it's absent from society.

Unpopular, but true.