Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

A Golden Opportunity for the Right: Take the High Road and Condemn Violent Rhetoric

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:52 AM
Original message
A Golden Opportunity for the Right: Take the High Road and Condemn Violent Rhetoric
Here's a call to action that might allow something good to come from the Giffords tragedy.

A Golden Opportunity for the Right: Take the High Road and Condemn Violent Rhetoric

January 10, 2011

The tragic shooting of Gabrielle Giffords provides conservative pundits and politicians a golden opportunity to take the high road and condemn the violent, hateful rhetoric that encourages political assassination attempts of the kind we recently witnessed in Arizona. It doesn’t matter whether the shooter was a left-wing nut or a right-wing nut, and make no mistake, Jared Loughner is a nut, as his YouTube videos demonstrate. The right thing to do under these circumstances is to condemn the reckless rhetoric that creates a climate in which it’s inevitable that a nut will eventually act out in a way that leads to the deaths of innocent people.

Because the intended victim was a Democrat, Democrats and left-leaning pundits can not lead on this subject in this environment. Any thing they say about the hateful, violent rhetoric that passes for political discourse in the United States these days will be automatically condemned as purely political posturing. These kinds of accusations have already been leveled. No. Right now, in this environment, only Republicans and right-leaning political commentators have the opportunity to do the right thing—and that would be to make every effort to reign in the rhetoric that leads nuts like Loughner to exercise their 2nd Amendment remedies. Seriously, how hard would it be for conservative politicians and pundits to admit that violent, hateful rhetoric creates a climate that invites tragedy? How hard would it be for the "adults" among us to universally condemn the rhetoric that leads to this kind of tragedy? Wouldn't that be the responsible thing to do?

...

At this particular, historical moment, only conservatives can lead us to a more rational and civil national discourse, but will they?

The jury’s still out on that, but the point being made here is that it would be beneficial, both morally and politically, for the right to condemn violent and hateful rhetoric in the wake of this tragedy. Defensive responses are tantamount to an admission of guilt, and while some right-leaning politicians and pundits have every reason to be defensive, it would serve them better, politically, to do the right thing and condemn all rhetoric that incites violence, whether it be from the right or the left. Not only would that be a service to the nation and to the Republican Party, itself, it would be the right thing to do. It is entirely up to them whether or not they heed this call and seize this golden opportunity.


More here: http://laelth.blogspot.com">Laelth's Letters

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:53 AM
Response to Original message
1. this is my point on high road. it doesnt mean to ignore reality and truth. that is NOT the high
road. that is enabling that will allow problem to continue. there is taking the high road and staying in reality.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #1
17. I am not sure I am following you, here.
Care to expand/elaborate?

Thanks for the response, in any event.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:54 AM
Response to Original message
2. They're doing the opposite.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 08:54 AM by Ian David
Tea Party Express Fundraises Off Giffords Shooting: 'Tea Party Won't Be Silenced'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x166155

Tucson Tea Party Leader: We Won't Change Our Rhetoric After Giffords Shooting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x149500



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. You're right. Many of them are being defensive ... a tacit admission of complicity.
But I want to offer them another alternative--one that will do the nation some good.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Yeah, good luck with that. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #4
18. We'll see. I'd like to give them the opportunity to do the right thing.
Whether or not they take it will be up to them.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:59 AM
Response to Original message
5. I am not holding my breath
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 09:00 AM by rbrnmw
If the last few days are indicative they will continue on in their terrible two's stage. They remind me of children that can be caught red-handed but still try to blame a sibling, playmate, or even their stuffed animals if nobody else is around to blame. Of course 2 year olds are cute and cuddly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. republicans have been reminding me of children for years.
The crying, the squalling, the bed-wetting. The screams of "it's not fair". The constant whining. The bickering over trivia.

Sometimes they remind me of infants, with their single-minded focus on themselves and nothing else. Other times, they remind me of 2-year-olds, as you describe. In their more mature moments, they remind me of 5th-graders arguing over false rumors on the playground.

Sadly, republicans never ever remind me of wise, grown-up adults. I can't think of a republican (demagogue or sheep) who has acted in a genuinely mature way in recent years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. I know and it's scary
We can see it plain as day, but people actually vote for these children, and then have the audacity to tell us the adults are in charge now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. This essay makes it hard for them to play their favorite card--the victim card.
It's outrageous that there are six dead people and thirteen wounded, yet somehow the right acts like Sarah Palin is the victim here. Perhaps they can be shamed into doing the right thing.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. maybe you are right, but they are best at playing victim.......
I am always astounded by how many buy it hook, line, and sinker. Whereas when we are victimized, we are called whiners, sore losers, or you guys do it too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #13
30. Sarah Palin is now accusing people of committing "blood libel."
Edited on Wed Jan-12-11 09:01 AM by Laelth
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47477.html

Amazing, isn't it? 6 dead and 13 wounded and, somehow, Sarah Palin sees herself as the victim. Disappointing.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:19 AM
Response to Original message
8. ROFL!!! suuure they will...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
24. Hope springs eternal. n/t
-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:20 AM
Response to Original message
9. this is how they motivate their base.
The high road is political suicide for them
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. Exactly.
They can't do that, they'd lose most of their followers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #12
26. Would they?
I am not so certain. It may be that they're afraid of crossing Limbaugh and Beck. That I would believe.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:23 AM
Response to Original message
11. Hear, Hear Laelth! k&r
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #11
25. Thanks for the k&r.
-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
14. Never happen.
1) To do so would be to admit the truth and accept some responsibility. They won't do that.

2) Too many right wing pundits are getting rich by feeding hate to the mentally ill. To argue for "calm" would put them out of business.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
27. I buy #2.
I'd like to believe many of them are capable of #1.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sadbear Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
15. This is why nothing will change
We've already been marginalized by the MSM. And the right have no incentive to change. They're manipulating the narrative as we speak and soon this will all be our fault.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #15
33. Rush has already said that the shooter is relying on Democrats to save him.
As illogical as it is to believe that Democrats would want to protect the shooter of a Democratic Congresswoman, that's exactly what he's arguing.

Indeed. The narrative is being manipulated, but sanity and reality are on our side on this issue.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:39 AM
Response to Original message
16. it is but they won't unfortunately
in fact, its more then likely they will ramp up the lies, and hate speech, with Fox News and Hate radio egging them on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:45 AM
Response to Original message
19. Come back from denial!
We need all hands on deck in the real world.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. I presume you're saying I'm wasting my time and energy.
That may be true. We'll see.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. I hope they do too
I would love to see a more civil, honest, and intelligent discourse
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mcollins Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:25 PM
Response to Original message
22. Well said!
I've stayed out of this discussion as it is all over campus and I am not here to take part in political arguements but to teach.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Thanks. n/t
-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
28. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. Thanks for the k&r. n/t
-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:46 PM
Response to Original message
29. K&R
Waiting with breathless abandon ;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. Quite, but I would advise you not to hold your breath.
I have hope that a few people can hear my message, but I doubt that it will be many.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 11:39 AM
Response to Original message
32. I don't think "the jury is still out"
on whether conservatives will avail themselves of said golden opportunity.

Condemning violent rhetoric would mean drastically changing their brand. They were already supposedly going to change their brand after their drubbing in Nov. 2008. Of course, the only rebranding that happened was renaming their whacko base with the "Tea Party" moniker. New name, same foul taste.

Current GOP mentality: High road is for losers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
But I hear you.

Thank for the respone.

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:02 AM
Response to Original message
36. Kick. n/t
-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:03 AM
Response to Original message
37. they have never taken the high road....never
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:40 AM
Response to Original message
38. The RW has no intentions of taking the high road on anything, essentially admitting culpability
Their ultimate goal is to take their "Christian" country back, and if over a third of the nation's population becomes homeless, starving, imprisoned, or ultimately perishes as a result, and some of their "own" invariably get caught up in their crusader-like "purge" of whom they consider "anti-Americans"....that would be very regrettable, but necessary.

Everything that rightwingers propose or support is specifically designed to weaken and silence the left, for example, creating a Constitutional amendment making it so that only tax-paying property owners can vote, the elimination of government funding of social services, and/or perhaps privatizing everything except the three branches of government and the military.

We are the enemy, and most rightwingers are comparable to the Terminator, you can't reason with them, you can't bargain or negotiate with them. They feel no pity, and have little or no empathy for those who can no longer, or never could support themselves. Only the unborn deserve their support, but once out of the womb, and the cord is cut, the infant and mother can die right there on the delivery room floor, if the mother can not afford to pay, or lacks the necessary health insurance coverage for the birth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 17th 2024, 11:28 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC