Gun site cross-hair images vs. bulls-eye images

[LuckyTheDog]

Bulls-eyes are no more violent than are the images found on thousands of discount stores and carnival games across America.

Gun site cross-hairs are very specific to the act of shooting.

Bulls-eyes are used for lots of non-violent reasons. Gun sites... not so much.

Just sayin'.

[murielm99]

1. The right wingers are not going after all the Target stores,

are they? Given the things some of them are saying, Target stores are bad places.

[LuckyTheDog]

2. NOBODY thinks Target Corp. is using violent imagery

A target is pretty generic. And the word "target" is used a lot of ways.

A gun site is related to nothing except shooting. And when somebody tells their supporters to "reload" or "gather your armies," that's a lot more specific.

[Cid_B]

3. That's just pathetic...

Really? Is this where the conversation has degraded to?

The possible incitement value of multiple circles vs one circle with a cross?

Stupid crap like this is why the left loses arguments in the media.

[LuckyTheDog]

4. Yes. That's where we are.

We didn't start this pissing match.

Take a look at this: http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647

[patrice]

8. I wouldn't go to the mat over it, but it IS a point the other side brought up, so there should be

a response.

[Cid_B]

11. It's a losing argument...

Left brings up Palin's map with circles and a cross extending out... They claim the image is wicked and bad or whatever...

Right responds by bringing up a very similar map but instead of a circle with an extending cross we have multiple circles arranged in a bulls eye pattern... They say "see?!" Everyone does it and either a) we are all equal or b) it doesn't mean anything

Left responds by saying our circles are not as inciting as your circle with a cross in it...

IOW it's a bad response and makes the person making it look petty and childish...

[patrice]

14. Ask any professional graphic designer how important such details are.

As I said, it wouldn't be my main case. I would make the point and move on to the REAL issues, maybe return to this point only occasionally just to be sure that it's there for those to whom it speaks, but I would not ignore it entirely, ESPECIALLY since the opposing side's main point is that there is no relationship between stimulus and response. It certainly isn't the only stimulus, so it shouldn't be the sum total of our case, and JL's response certainly isn't the only response, so those two facts should be more central, but if you yield that this instance is completely ir-relevant, then you have to do battle for each and every other instance that you are claiming as part of the over-all system and you don't want/need to do that.

[justiceischeap]

5. When I see a bullseye like the Dems used, I think of darts

When I see the gun sights Palin used, I think of, well guns. I'm not trying to candy coat or make the Dems look less harmless because I'm a Dem but that's what pops into my mind. As a designer, I know the impact visual elements have. Another thing about the bullseye the dems used, it doesn't make me think, "Some crazy liberal is going to see that and try to take someone out with his...dart." But when I see the Palin ad, the first thought is, "Some whack job is going to use this as a target shooting guide."

When you hear the hatred spewing from the right, when you hear all the god and guns talk, it makes a different impact on people when you combine those threats (which is what they really are, forget rhetoric, they're threats) with graphic imagery that depicts a subliminal message about guns. People did not look at the Palin map and think, "Oh, aren't those some pretty surveyor's marks, you betcha!"

[ileus]

6. they don't make 30 round mags for bows.

[immoderate]

7. The line, or the dot?

--imm

[patrice]

9. Too bad the discourse is so poisoned at this point that focus grouping a comparison

would be of little use now.

WHICH, btw, is what Palin should have done to begin with, in order to identify any red flags associated with her cross-hairs graphic.

Ir-responsible.

[Kingofalldems]

10. Target Stores use a bullseye

[Little Star]

12. Listing the names on Palin's map was just as bad as the cross-hairs.

[patrice]

15. bingo!

[jwirr]

13. But coupled with the rhetoric they are. Lock and Load + bulls eye?