Hate to say it, but everything about the Giffords incident

[whatchamacallit]

from the heinous, senseless act, to the response, spin, and posturing, it illustrates just how far into the toilet this country is. I'm starting to wonder if there's a way back.

[ileus]

1. well said...nt

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[The Wielding Truth]

3. If we could get some space between corp influence and MSM, it could change.

[Rectangle]

16. And narrowing the wealth disparity gap, would go a long way to healing

a lot of this county's ills!

[The Wielding Truth]

22. Definitely. Any strong economy needs a strong middle class.

[Little Star]

4. It's a sad day for America. n/t k&r

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

5. Well the 'used to be's were that these fringe elements got their

ideas, manifests, hate, urge to action from groups like the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood or any of the para-military groups out there we all new about but didn't really know anything about.

Tim McVeigh for instance? DID we take sides? Or was just just a 'lone wolf' that followed the anti-government crusaders?

But now the Tea Party and much of the Republican Pundits are saying very similar thing as those fringe elements (as Jon Stewart mentioned in his show last night).

It's hard to tell the difference between RNC & KKK rhetoric nowadays.

WHY is it HARMFUL to ask ... DEMAND ... the RNC to get out of bed with their 'kind of people'.

[BobbyBoring]

13. The RNC

Has been taken over by "The Fringe". This years election proved that. Anyone that was remotely moderate is either gone or will be soon.

When Rush Limbaugh is the de facto "Head" of a party, you know somethings wrong.

In response to the country being too far gone, it is UNLESS WE get off our asses and start making as much noise as the Tea Party does. We don't have to go as far as wearing founding fathers costumes or waving misspelled unintelligible sign, but we do have to start banding in mass to stop the wars, the raiding of our treasury, the health care crisis, etc.

Personally, I'm torn between flight and fight. I spent a lot of time protesting the Viet Nam war and we really made a difference. I wonder if what's left of this country is worth fighting for now. The level of stupidity is at an all time high and it's contagious. We have kids graduating from school that CAN NOT READ. My 30 YO niece is a teacher and had no idea that having a baby would totally change her life? WTF? So many are too bust pounding their chests about American Exceptional ism that they fail to see how unexceptional we have become. We have millions that had no idea we were fucked until a black man was elected president. Those same millions have grown in to tens of millions and believe things that no one in their right mind would believe.

I guess that's a long way of saying we're pretty far gone~

[DrDan]

6. I don't think we have seen the end of it. Now that the greedy have

a taste of the "big bucks", the rest of the world had better watch out. It's all about the money.

[patrice]

7. My thoughts exactly. nt

[KT2000]

8. We need an adult

Obama must speak to the nation - if not him, then Biden or Clinton.
Even still, hate supplies adrenalin that makes some people feel like they are alive and vital. They get addicted to it and need more fixes. It will be hard to stop it.

[frazzled]

9. There's a way back.

I don't know how many of you lived through the horrendous year of 1968. It seemed like Armageddon: not just the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy (and Andy Warhol is shot), but the unbelievable police violence at the Democratic convention. The several years leading up to it were just as bad: Watts burning to the ground in 1965, race riots in Detroit in 1967. And throughout it all, Vietnam. Really, if you didn't live through Vietnam, you don't know how depressing things can get: this was a war using not volunteer soldiers but draftees who did not want to go. And they died in droves: more than 58,000 of them.

And we recovered from these horrible disasters. There is always a new day.

[whatchamacallit]

11. Indeed... thanks for the perspective. (nt)

[Lint Head]

10. I sincerely hope Democrats have the damn guts to

respond to the wing nut political hate talk from there political opponents instead of cowering in the political corner as they usually do.

[RagAss]

12. The toilet?... Hell, we're in sewer system.

[damntexdem]

14. Flush repeatedly?

Learn to hold one's breath while passing through sewers?

[Initech]

15. Drano

[Whisp]

17. if the media gets restored to what it ought to be, there is a good chance.

thats the first battle line.

tough one tho.

[One_Life_To_Give]

18. Weekly Lunch

IMO Your looking at the results of two separate America's. They watch Fox, listen to Beck and socialize with like minded people.
We read Huffington Post, listen to NPR and socialize with like minded people.
And each day we see ourselves as more and more different from each other.

We need to talk, Not At or about each other. But seriously talk and listen to each other. Find those things in common like the kids soccer game or their troubles in Math. It was said that House Speaker Tip O'Neil and Regan enjoyed dinners together. Although they disagreed on many policies. Might do some good for Pelosi and Limbaugh to have a regular lunch date. Heck if we could get a regular luncheon between Barney Frank and Fred Phelps we might really accomplish something. Not that we should expect to agree on anything in particular. Except maybe that we are all Human.

[tekisui]

19. No tragedy will occur in this country without politicization.

Not anymore. Really, not since we embraced terrorism as a national religion.

[lpbk2713]

20. I started thinking that way when Shit-for-Brains was reelected.

I couldn't think it was possible that people were on such a reckless course of self destruction.

[GeorgeGist]

21. In the beginning, Reagan said ...

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"


Maybe it is time to flush the toilet he started.