ummm..I don't think this guy was a rw'er

[backwoodsbob]

just read an article on yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110111/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot

two of his favorite films to watch were zeitgeist and loose change..definately not right wing material.

Looks like he was just a nut with a gun

[DCBob]

1. Dont have to be a rw'er to be affected by rw hate..

imho.

[backwoodsbob]

2. that is true

[Cid_B]

14. I think the basset hound next door has been affected by "rw hate"

Seriously, what kind of logic is that?

[EFerrari]

3. Isn't Loose Change full of anti-government wingnuttery?

I thought so, anyway.

[B Calm]

6. Yes and Zeitgeist had a section in the movie against taxes

[Ruby the Liberal]

7. Yes. Alex Jones, Steve Quayle stuff.

Not RW, Libertarian.

Goes in with pro-pot, gold-standard, anti-government rhetoric.

[backwoodsbob]

9. not really

loose change lays 9/11 in the hands of Shrub/Cheney

[EFerrari]

12. But the way it gets there is rw anti-government stuff. n/t

[TheWraith]

11. You're right, it is.

And it's creator, Alex Jones, is a birther.

[Poboy]

18. Alex Jones did not create this film. Jason Burmas and two of his friends did.

It was originally a college project.

[Poboy]

15. Its a 9/11 truth film. So is Zeitgeist in one part.

I understand he listened to David Ickie as well.
The man is a mixed bag of libertarian and new age beliefs.

[snooper2]

47. several DU'ers believe the "Loose Change" crap as well

check the dungeon

[Liberal In Texas]

4. Well, he seems more like an Alex Jones fan.

Is Alex Jones RW? Probably more libertarian, which to me is mostly RW.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

5. I see. Like the soccer leagues.

"Can't win, let's play for a tie, one point is better than nothing."

[Kurovski]

8. It fits the anti-government paranoia that is now an enormous part of the RW.

Yahoo?! :D Really?? They'd spin it if the guy was stalking Sarah for advice on guns.

We'll see what other treasures he had in his safe and computerola machine.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

10. I'm waiting to see if he was his OWN potlical 'movement'

envisioned and created in his head with parts from here and there......

but just for grins

"included little-known conspiracy theory..."

INCLUDED * Key Word here.

Since we don't have the full range of movies and the report CHOSE to INCLUDE THE TWO you mentioned,
you can't really draw a clear understanding of his political predilections.

[Jefferson23]

13. The shooter would need to be a RW'er in order to have been influenced

by hateful/violent images in political rhetoric?

[zbdent]

16. how many times have I heard people claim

"Oh, I was a lifelong Democrat/Liberal, but I got fed up and joined the Tea Party movement!"

[baldguy]

17. ummmm... Have you ever watched those films?

They're both full of conspiratorial libertarian RW nuttery.

[backwoodsbob]

20. loose change is rw?..really?

that's news to me and yes I have watched it.

[KansasVoter]

21. Yes, it is RW.

[Enrique]

19. truther stuff is right-wing

I don't know what zeitgeist is, but Loose Change fits right in with RW extremists.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. I keep asking this and keep not getting answers...since when does a YouTube profile end up being

the end all and be all of a person's likes and dislikes?

[stray cat]

23. We are too narrowly minded to imagine individuality in mass murderers

We have to have a political label that allows us to be sanctimonias

[maxsolomon]

24. He shot a DEMOCRATIC congresswoman.

DEMOCRATIC. not republican. not independent. not libertarian. DEMOCRATIC.

[Kennah]

25. I think you've hit the nail on the head

This wasn't a drooling nutjob drifting about randomly and shooting people. He intentionally went after a Democratic Congresswoman. I have a hard time believing he just wandering in and started shooting.

[Igel]

28. He shot the rep maybe 8 blocks from his house.

Had he gone to S. Tucson, he'd have gotten Grijalva--also (D).

The cab fare to a (R) representative would probably have been more than he could afford.

It's like the guy who shoots his coworkers because he was fired and snaps. If he works with lots of black workers he'll wind up shooting mostly blacks. If most of his coworkers are Asian, most will be Asian. Etc.

In other words, Loughner didn't have the luxury of a buffet from which to make his choice. You go to "Only Pizza" and you probably shouldn't expect pel'meni or hummus.

[frylock]

32. how does your theory possibly comport with the information we have?

he specifically stated his intent to assassinate rep. giffords ffs.

[slackmaster]

34. He shot HIS congresswoman

Her party affiliation may not have been the issue.

[maxsolomon]

46. I'll concede that.

in 2007, she apparently couldn't tell him what government was if words have no meaning. but who could? the ghost of Neitzsche?

nevertheless: and undiagnosed, untreated schizophrenic Arizona "Independent" with a 33-round clip for a semiautomatic pistol shot a DEMOCRATIC congresswoman. that's what's known.

[arcane1]

26. We have no freakin' solid clues on where, if anywhere, he stood politically

We only know that he deliberately targeted this one specific rep whom he perceived as an enemy that must be killed, as well as any bystanding supporters of hers.

[TheKentuckian]

27. Jimmy crack corn

[CJCRANE]

29. It's well-known that a lot of truthers are RW libertarians

like the chief conspiracy theorist himself - Alex Jones - but in general 9/11 Truth doesn't fit into a partisan pigeonhole.

[upi402]

31. The RW media says that Hitler was a socialist too - not an Authoritarian

Loose Change is touted by RWers, Independants, and Libertarians too.

I'm not sure of the guys party affiliation. Doesn't matter. Media incitement to violence is on the table, everyday 24 hrs a day.

[BOG PERSON]

30. one of his favorite books was the communist manifesto too

he was clearly proud that he read the whole thing.

[Luminous Animal]

37. And Mein Kampf and We The Living by Ayn Rand.

[Bjorn Against]

39. He also listed an Ayn Rand book among his favorites

If people think they can figure out his political beliefs by his reading list they are ignoring the full list. There are not too many people who agree with both Ayn Rand and Karl Marx, nor are there too many Mein Kampf fans who would enjoy To Kill a Mockingbird. His reading list could not be any more contradictory, those who pick out a couple books off the list to figure out his politics are clearly ignoring the rest of the list.

[slackmaster]

33. Sorry, that idea doesn't fit the established narrative

If you don't follow along with him being an RWer, you're obviously a paid troll sent here to defend Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, etc.








:sarcasm:

[Luminous Animal]

35. The OP attempted to make his case on incorrect info.

"Loose Change" is embraced by libertarians and...
"Dylan Avery, director of Loose Change, was the keynote luncheon speaker at the 2008 Libertarian State Chairs Conference"
http://www.libertariansforjustice.org/?q=node/15

So, how do you expect people to accept an alternative narrative when the alternative is flawed.

[slackmaster]

38. The only explanation I've seen that really makes sense to me is that the guy is mentally ill

Severely so, and that his mish-mash of political views really aren't much of an issue.

[Trajan]

40. Apparently

Somebody disagrees with you ....

[slackmaster]

43. A lot of people disagree with me about this. I'll be proved right, and they'll all forget about it.

I have a strong Cassandra complex arising from numerous experiences over the last 50+ years in which I've been one of a small minority of people who saw things as they really are.

:toast:

[Luminous Animal]

42. I agree.

[Bjorn Against]

44. Many mentally ill people do have a mish-mash of political views

Having grown up with a schizophrenic brother and two parents who spent most of my life working in the mental health field I have been around a lot of mentally ill people and I will tell you that many of them are very easily influenced on political issues. Quite often mentally ill people do have a mish-mash of political views that don't make much sense, but they often take those views extremely seriously. It is extremely rare that mentally ill individuals get violent like Laughner did (most are very peaceful people), but it is very common for mentally ill individuals to get an idea in their head and then become obsessed with it. To say a mish-mash of views means that those views are not much of an issue completely ignores the reality of mental illness.

[tekisui]

36. All the evidence suggests he's closer to a libertarian/anti-government

type than anything. Definitely not on the left and definitely not a repuke. He could overlap in the libertarian vin diagram into the tea party, though. The tea party isn't just far righties, it is also the anti-government end timers and some libertarians.

[Blue-Jay]

41. Bill Frist was able to diagnose a patient after viewing a video.

And he was an actual doctor. And we (rightfully) derided him. Now you're drawing conclusions based on two shitty movies?

You see where I'm going with this?

[DainBramaged]

45. It's about the hateful rhetoric of the Right, not about what 'this guy' reads.

is it that hard?