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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 12:41 AM
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Why is being obsessed with the gold standard and government mind control right wing?
And where does nihilism fall on the left/right spectrum?

I'm listening to all this stuff Loughner was obsessed with and it seems to me he simply thought alot, maybe too much and tied things in odd ways. Too theoretical, and not very in this world...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 12:48 AM
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1. 'Right wingers' are the primary victims of mind control and every obsession du jour produced by FUX
They are rightfully pissed off, yet cannot fathom their own situation nor recognize the actual source(s) of their misery.



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Gamow Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 12:53 AM
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2. Wouldn't nihilism, by definition, be nowhere on the left/right spectrum? nt
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:06 AM
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7. I would say so.
I don't get what the basis of our classification is anyway.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 12:54 AM
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3. Because the right-wing has been obsessed with the gold standard
The gold standard is one of their favorite fantasies, pushed by such figures as Ron Paul, Glen Beck, etc. I've heard many teabaggers saying how we should go back to being on the gold standard. These tend to be rather simplistic people, with no real understanding of the modern US economy, and how returning to a gold standard would absolutely crush us.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:03 AM
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5. So it's right wing because the people that talk about it are right wing?
Is that how we classify this stuff? By who has latched onto it as an issue?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:49 AM
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11. yes if 90% of the people who obsess on these things are proudly RW
then you can reliably infer they are common (in this case fringe) RW values. And if the 4-5 political opinions that you have expressed are common fringe RW values, it is reasonable to assume you have probably been influenced by fringe RW thinking. in other words, no his thinking (when intelligible at all) was not over the place. some was gibberish, and the balance, pretty boilerplate fringe RW
It's really not all that complicated.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 02:01 AM
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13. Yes - here are links to articles which further explain the ways in which Loughner's ravings
are tied to right-wing conspiracy theories and rantings.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/10/chip_berlet_on_the_becking_of

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/yes-jared-loughner-was-crazy-doesnt-

Yep, it's really not all that complicated -- but quite a few here refuse to see.
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ttwiddler Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 04:17 AM
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17. That's how all issues work
The ideological bent of an issue is defined by who supports it.

People obsessed with the gold standard tend to worry about the NWO, think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are non-fiction, and likely think Obama was born anywhere but here. Bear in mind, it's not absolute. Not everyone who wants a gold standard is necessarily a far-right jackass believing that he's a sovereign citizen and that the government is out to get him, but way too many goldbugs are just that.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 12:55 AM
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4. How come these nutters never consider a McDonald's commercial mind control?
It's always the Gubmint!!!1111

:eyes:

Corporations spend gazillions figuring out how to get people to purchase their crap...
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:05 AM
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6. Because if the McDonalds commercial was controlling us it must have been put there by the Govt.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:21 AM
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8. Your insight is a significant one. Force fitting this to a political overlay is a waste of time.
Fact is, nuts abound with internally inconsistent data points across the spectrum and off the scale.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:31 AM
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10. +1
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 02:03 AM
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15. Yes, but "Yes, Jared Loughner was 'crazy'. That doesn't exculpate the milieu that unhinged him", as
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:21 AM
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9. Agreed. I believe most financially-savvy DU'er's might agree re- the gold standard,
and I hope most DU'er's are also concerned about mind-control, albeit by the oligarchs who own the gov't, via media ownership and education "reform," as well as via gov'l initiatives such as Operation Mockingbird.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:50 AM
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12. I don't recall seeing him label himself as a nihilist. that was the AP frame for him
the obsession with the gold standard has been common currency of the far right since the John Birch Society. Rand Paul and the libertarians go on about it.

John Maynard Keynes, one of the most influential economists of the 20th c., argued against the gold standard and claimed it prolonged the great depression. His economic policy guided the world out of the great depression.

Milton Friedman, an acolyte of Ayn Rand, along with Hayek and Mises, became the counter argument to Keynes with the rise of the right in the U.S. in the 1970s.

Rand is big among libertarians who are also big on the gold standard.

Govt mind control is the resting place of many paranoid thinkers. The big conspiracy that undergirds it is the belief in a "New World Order" as a conspiracy theory. Pat Robertson wrote about book with this title about this conspiracy some decades ago. Until the rise of the anarchist movement in the U.S. the "New World Order" / govt mind control idea was pretty much limited to fundamentalist christians and the "patriot movement." The patriot movement was largely defined by its largest group, The John Birch Society. Fear and hatred of the United Nations has long been part of their paranoia.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, has associated the patriot movement with the current tea party movement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/us-surge-rightwing-extremist-groups

"The US is facing a surge in anti-government extremist groups and armed militias, driven by deepening hostility on the right to Barack Obama, anger over the economy, and the increasing propagation of conspiracy theories by parts of the mass media such as Fox News.

The Southern Poverty Law Centre, the US's most prominent civil rights group focused on hate organisations, said in a report that extremist "patriot" groups "came roaring back to life" last year as their number jumped nearly 250% to more than 500 with deepening ties to conservative mainstream politics.

...The report says the patriot movement has "made significant inroads into the conservative political scene" in part driven by a growing view of the US administration "as part of a plot to impose 'one-world government' on liberty-loving Americans".

"The Tea Parties and similar groups that have sprung up in recent months cannot fairly be considered extremist groups, but they are shot through with rich veins of radical ideas, conspiracy theories and racism," the report says."

Loughner's talk about grammar apparently stems from another right wing extremist, David Wynne Miller.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47329.html

"The far-right activist, David Wynn Miller, said in a telephone interview that he didn’t know Loughner, but agreed with his statement in a YouTube video that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”

“Absolutely I would agree with it,” said Miller, 62, a former tool-and-die maker from Milwaukee who claims 1 billion “students” worldwide.

But he said any suggestion that his writings influenced Loughner to go on a shooting rampage is “ridiculous.”

“I have nothing to do with anything like that,” Miller said, suggesting that Loughner might have been under the influence of government mind control.

The claim of "nihilism" is insignificant when Loughner's "philosophy" is tied to existing right wing conspiracy beliefs - not that Loughner himself was tied to any of them. But the origins of his "manifesto" are found in right wing extremists in the U.S.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 02:02 AM
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14. Because since the time memorial it has been people who on the
Right have expressed concern and displeasure with the
very idea of Federal Reserve. Jack Kemp(RIP) often
spoke of the Gold Standard'Ron Paul has discussed this over
in terms of Federal Reserve and wanting a Currency having
visible worth compared to "Paper Money".
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 02:08 AM
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16. The only people that are seem to be seriously about returning to the gold standard...
...are economic or political conservatives.


And the government putting stuff in the water to control minds (evil Communist plot) are ultra-conservatives like the John Birch Society.


Of course, we routinely refer to "sheeple", but that is more of an induced desire to not be involved in politics by the entertainment industry.
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