Which Party, Democratic or Republican, has the strongest values and principles?

[kentuck]

If you say Democratic Party, are you willing to defend those values and principles?

Or do you think we need to water them down to get more support from Independents and conservatives?

Do you believe our principles and values are not strong enough to forge a majority in this country?

Why are some Democrats so weak to defend what our Party has fought for and stands for through the decades?

Or do you believe that we cannot compete with the Republicans heads-up with our values and principles?

Are they strong enough for you to fight for?

What would you change?

[Davis_X_Machina]

1. False dichotomies... every one of them.

Should put the entire post in the dictionary next to the word 'tendentious'.

[rocktivity]

2. Maybe your question should be "Which party has BETTER values and principles?"

"Strong" values and principles aren't automatically "good" ones.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[kentuck]

4. Perhaps?

I will leave it at "stronger" for the time being.

[provis99]

9. the question should be: Which party sticks to its principles?

[Claudia Jones]

3. that isn't what drives politics

Values and principles don't drive politics, interests do.

[kentuck]

5. Such as?

??

[Claudia Jones]

22. that is obvious, I would think

Example: it was in the interest of the plantation masters to protect their positions of wealth and power by retaining slavery. It was in the interest of those held in slavery to break slavery and end it.

[kentuck]

23. No values involved?

Just economic interests?

[Claudia Jones]

24. correct

That is correct.

[kentuck]

25. I tend to disagree...

Although I see your point about politics being about self interests. I think that is true to a large degree. However, I think there are still good works in some people. I think they are compassionate and empathetic toward the homeless and downtrodden. We need more people like that.

But sometimes there is the right, moral, and ethical thing to do. In your heart, you know it is the right thing to do and you do it. So journeys the progress of man...

[Claudia Jones]

26. I don't disagree

Yes, there are still good works in some people - many people. Yes, they are compassionate and empathetic toward the homeless and downtrodden.

[sabrina 1]

30. Which is the reason for the failures we are currently dealing with.

And we thought we were voting to change those old, failed methods. Shame on us for believing that.

'If you lead, they will follow'! We CAN do better, if we want to!

[Claudia Jones]

31. yes

Millions of people are suffering in the country. You fight for them, or you don't. If you do, you will have their support, and there will be no need to sell anything to people. If you don't fight, you won't get support. Talking about "values" plays into the hands of the right wingers.

[CelticThunder]

6. After 2-1/2 yrs of Obama, incl. the first two years when Dems held House & Senate... but

Repubs still ran the show, and continue to run the show... I've come to the conclusion that Dems are so weak because enough of them are just as venal as Repugs.

We are screwed. Obama is a disaster who is setting the Democratic Party so far back I can't see it ever recovering.

[madokie]

7. I'm a down and dirty cut to the bone yellow dog democrat

I don't want any watered down anything especially my political party.

[kentuck]

8. Hey!

:-)

I can't understand why any Democrat would have a problem with this question?

[William769]

10. I recorded this and it's still at zero.

You must have really pissed off some people. GOOD!

They can't answer you honestly so they give you a obligatory unrecord. Typical.

[uppityperson]

11. Repubs, obviously. However, the values and principles are not particularly good or sustaining ones

Their strong values are dichotomous thinking, get what you can and fuck everyone else. Very strong but quite negative.

Unless you meant Positive values and principles, in which case Dems.

[kentuck]

12. By definition...

I think most Democratic values are positive. Need we make a list for those in doubt?

[uppityperson]

15. I was just wondering if your OP "values" meant positive

I agree that most Dem values are positive. And that I'll keep working with them, trying to get more positive, if even on a very local basis. I've been working with grammar and language and realized "values" can be pos or neg.

Kicking again.

[emulatorloo]

13. Republicans, They fall in line to fuck over everybody but the Rich

They are the ultimate sociopathic asshole party.

[NNN0LHI]

14. CNN Poll: Republicans overwhelmingly want a winner over ideology in 2012

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/08/cnn-poll-republicans-want-winner-over-ideology-in-2012/

February 8th, 2011

Washington (CNN) - Given the choice between a candidate who agrees with them on the issues or a candidate who can defeat President Barack Obama in 2012, a new national poll indicates Republicans overwhelming want a winner.

According to CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Tuesday, nearly seven out of ten Republicans say they would prefer a GOP presidential nominee who can top Obama in the next election, with 29 percent saying a nominee who agrees with them on every issue that matters the most is more important.

[orpupilofnature57]

20. Ronnie Ray-guns was the answer to Jimmy Carters plea for sanity.

Dutch Big winner ,how did we do?

[orpupilofnature57]

16. In Rhetoric and single celled cheer leading Pukers in practice Dem's

Every Break the rich got came from Republicans ,the rest of us would be slave 100 yrs ago if not for Democratic Ideals and the members of that party.

[JNinWB]

17. Republicans intermingle their religious and political values.

Since they are determined to see their religious values turned into legislation, they work much harder (especially at the local level) to promote their fundy ideology.

Eternal Salvation is at stake! Eternal Salvation trumps any motivating factor the Ds have ever proposed. Going to heaven and being with Jesus gets them up out of their Lazyboys to go vote.

[kentuck]

19. But when you peel back the onion...

they do not have the values of Jesus, they are more in tune with the guy with horns and a pitchfork tail. Greed, discrimination, caring for the poor, favoring the wealthy, etc...

[ClassWarrior]

18. Wow, unrecs for strong values.

NGU.

[kentuck]

21. Why do you suppose people would unrec this post?

Do they not feel comfortable with the Democratic Party principles??

[Claudia Jones]

27. it makes people uncomfortable?

You stated it as a choice between sticking to principle OR pandering and compromising to get votes. Many who defend the compromises want to believe they are not caving on their principles. This is the age-old debate within the party, always surfacing again with a vengeance as we get closer to an election, and that debate is what enables the party to relentlessly move to the right.

[kentuck]

28. Do you think that we don't have enough faith in our Party?

Or that our ideas and principles cannot compete with those of the Republican Party, for whatever reasons?

It seems like when there is a vacuum, the air rushes in like a hurricane to fill the void.

We must be prepared to defend our values and principles at all costs. If telling the truth about the other side is a gamble, then we will just have to take it. Anger from truth doesn't last long. It heals quickly.

[Claudia Jones]

29. can't win that battle

The battle over "values" is a creation of the Republicans.