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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:46 PM
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The Wealthy Don’t Create Jobs; Good Jobs Create The Wealthy
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/02/the-wealthy-dont-create-jobs-good-jobs-create-the-wealthy/

What came first, the wealthy or the building blocks of wealth? This is no idle “chicken or the egg” question. Major political players base real policies with serious impact on their own answer to the question. What if most of them are getting it wrong? What if getting it wrong could wreck the system and ransack wealth?

To get the answer, the GOP base are obviously looking at wealthy investors. Our tax-cutting crowd clearly thinks they’re the starting point. They say that getting more money to them will mean more jobs. The idea runs that investors bet their capital on starting or expanding a company that can then hire folks, thus jobs. This seems to pass for unquestionable truth among the “starve the beast” set. They figure that the more money the wealthy have the more they’ll put into creating jobs. Even leaving aside the question of whether they’d likely choose to invest their money elsewhere, the anti-tax set need to reconsider two questions: 1) Is that usually how jobs are made? and 2) Where’d the capital come from in the first place? These two questions are necessarily linked. You can’t explain where the capital came from without considering ways to make jobs without capital.

So where’d the first capital come from? Unless you think it was somehow handed over to man by divine intervention — capital raining down from heaven or appearing from nothing — it had to come from work. We can set aside the factor of inherited wealth, since somebody had to collect it in order to pass it down to lucky heirs. That first capital accumulating work — whatever it was — was collecting and/or making something that could be sold or traded. In short, it was a job. It may not have been a modern job, but close enough for our question. Somebody did some work. It may have been all on his own. Or the work may have been getting others to do things for him. But whatever it was, somebody did some work that produced a surplus. Perhaps that surplus was then — directly or through heirs — reinvested by getting other folks to do more work to produce more surplus. At root, the workers involved still created the surplus. The worker-created surplus was then used to spur more work to create more surplus. The job came first. The assets produced were just a product of the job that lets that job contribute to even more jobs. Get together a lot of surplus produced from a lot of jobs, and you’ve got wealth. Even if you then use that wealth to spur more work that creates more wealth, the wealth still didn’t create itself but rather came as the sum effect of the work … the jobs.

Ultimately, the idea that wealth comes from somebody investing in business is a myth. If I build a factory and hire 50 people to make widgets, I’m not going to get any return on my investment unless there are people who can be interested in widgets and have enough money to spend on my widgets. If my widgets aren’t essentials, those people will only have enough money to spend if they’re making a surplus beyond the cost of living. Even if the widgets are essential, folks who don’t have an income aren’t going to be buying many widgets. If I don’t have enough potential customers to break even, I’m not going to be employing those 50 widget makers for long. But if I have enough customers to make a profit, I’ll keep employing them. And if I have too many customers for them to keep up, I’ll hire more. Then who really created the wealth I reap from my factory? Sure, I made the factory investment that allowed me to sell widgets. But without the customers, that investment would have just been a foolish building that couldn’t support long term jobs. It’s the customers who really make the difference.

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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:47 PM
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1. Socialism is the path to prosperty for all of society
not what Kudlow continues to spew on his nightly show.


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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:01 PM
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2. It's a form of narcissism rampant among the wealthy...
Everyone else is lazy and stupid, only they can create anything. They are the tail that thinks it can wag the dog.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:06 PM
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3. If there's no middle class to buy whatever they're selling, then their ability
to "create" jobs is nada.

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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:07 PM
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4. Abe Lincoln: "Labor precedes capital..."
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 02:07 PM by rfranklin
"…Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital; that, in fact, capital is the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed — that labor can exist without capital, but that capital could never have existed without labor. Hence they hold that labor is the superior — greatly the superior — of capital."

Lincoln was responding to Southern slaveowners who were arguing that capital precedes, and is therefore superior to, labor. (Trickle-down?) Against this, Lincoln advocated “Free Labor,” a central plank in the antebellum Republican platform. Free Labor was an ambiguous concept, no doubt, being part bourgeois celebration of free contracts, and part lower-r republican celebration of the dignity of the independent producer. Like most nineteenth century economic theories, it was premised on the labor theory of value, what would become the cornerstone of Marxist economics. As David Montgomery has shown, the Republican Party was the party of organized labor for much of the Civil War period and the early part of Reconstruction. Only with the unraveling of Radical Republicanism and the onset of the Gilded Age, did the contradictions of Free Labor become too great and the two divergent strands went their own way.

http://phdoctopus.com/2011/02/22/another-republican-in-wisconsin-talks-about-labor/
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:08 PM
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5. So this propaganda by the wealthy has been going on for a great while.
And people still believe it.

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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:15 PM
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6. That is a great quote eom
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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:24 PM
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7. I think they understand this...
And I think they are just trying to get as much as they can until society collapses.

It is simple supply and demand. Without demand the supply is worthless.

If you work a full time job in this country you should not be living in poverty. The wealthy are taking more than their share. It is time we demand it back.

Go to your boss and ask for a pay raise!

If we could all just come together as a people we could demand our fair share. I'm talking a massive country wide walk out! We demand our pay be enough to sustain our family! I'm sorry if you don't get your record profits this year. We demand our share!
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:27 PM
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8. .
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