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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:39 PM Original message |
Does Article II, section 3 give the President the authority to |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Joint session of congress requires a concurrent resolution from both House and Senate to meet." |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The Constitution's specific grant of this power would pre-empt |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. You are confusing two separate issues. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. You are correct, the president convenes the joint session and |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Nope. The Constitution also "specifically grants" Congress the power to make their own rules. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Did you read the provision. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Yes I did. But you appear to be reading something that isn't there. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. What is your historical and legal authority? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. You can also cite the menu from Burger King if you like. It carries no more weight. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Federalist Papers, No. 77 -- Hamilton |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. You've not spammed the same thing multiple times... and don't realize that it refutes your position. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. And Washington gave that information in person. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. So when Reagan wanted to talk to Congress about the Contras in '86 and Tip Oneil told him "no" |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. he did "stick to his principles", deferring to republicans. Notice he rarely says "republicans"? nt |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Back then they did not meet nearly year round. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. The issue was whether Washington had the right to |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. If Congress was in recess (it hasn't been all summer) he could call a special session |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. You are wrong and should do the research. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Physician, heal thyself. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. The Constitution pretty much gives him that authority. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. You asked the question in the OP and have clearly been answered "no" |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. both houses of Congress or one house. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. The legal authority is very simple. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Federalist Papers, No. 77 -- Hamilton's view |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Repeating an error does not make it any more persuasive. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. The two powers -- to inform Congress (which was originally given |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. You might want to check the function of that semicolon in the rest of the Constitution. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Um, where did I dispute that joint sessions occur? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Where in the text of the Constitution does it say that the |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. You keep using that word ("specifically"). I do not think it means what you think it means. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Where in Article II, section 3 does it state |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Do you have any legal authority for your opinion? |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. You didn't do well Civics class, did you? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Actually, I did extremely well. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Your posts continue to support the fact that the president has |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Do you have a source that states that he does not. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The correct question is: Do you have any source |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Then they owe you your money back. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I am afraid that you are simply mistaken. And you are being rather stubborn about it. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Authority please? |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Authority? I have already quoted the Constitution. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. I have posted Hamilton's letter to Washington. Here is his commentary in the Federalist Papers. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Why do you persist in conflating "addressing" and "convening"? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
6. You are confusing convening Congress with forcing Congress to hold a Joint Session |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. OK, Freddie, elementary lesson on the Constitution |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. That's very interesting. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. That is what he did. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 05:02 AM Response to Reply #46 |
59. And it makes the entire GOP party look petty at the same time. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. I think you have made a very good point. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
7. Apples and oranges |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Did you read the constitutional provision and the letter from Alexander |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You need to learn the same lesson that Bush never learned. |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. What difference does it make? NT |
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JNinWB (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
14. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. This is DU... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Do you disagree with me. If so, what is your legal argument on this. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
34. "convene" is completely different from "address" |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. This provision speaks both to the president's authority to inform Congress |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 08:03 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. I very much agree the president is not confined merely to the SOTU address |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
44. Yes, he can force them to convene. But he cannot force them to allow him to address Congress. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Again, what is your authority for this? |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. And yet nothing there says the president can speak on the floor of Congress |
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