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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:47 AM
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Holy shit...could we see a 'Perfect Storm' over the Mid-Atlantic,New England?
What happens when the remnants of a tropical storm and a hurricane collide from opposite directions?



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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:52 AM
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1. .................
:nuke:
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:02 AM
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2. worth watching, however
one can make up many a "what if" scenario, so I wouldn't get too excited just yet.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:06 AM
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3. Either way, looks like could be a LOT of rain coming that way
And after Irene, seems like the last thing many places in that area would need - from either Lee or Katia.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:29 AM
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12. This is a map that does bear watching indeed:
"Stuck in the middle with you" went thru my head. Talking to you, Carolinas.
A page I will be checking every 12 hours, as we live pretty close to Mobile/Pensacola.
link: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/085214.shtml?tswind120#contents

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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:17 AM
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ctrl-z.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 03:18 AM by chollybocker
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:17 AM
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4. Oh-oh. Someone call Cantor.
See if America can afford this right now.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:22 AM
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5. He'll probably demand a balanced budget amendment before helping anyone else
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 03:22 AM by Hugabear
Heartless evil fuck
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:42 AM
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6. Or 'offsetting' the cost with tax cuts
Brainwashed, all of them!
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:41 AM
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9. Too funny but so true
:applause:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:32 AM
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7. They cancel each other out and you get sunshine. Duh!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:39 AM
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8. Wow!
Interesting
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:47 AM
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10. So I was curious and looked it up....
sometimes the stronger storm will absorb the weaker one.

And sometimes they will appear to orbit each other in what's called the "Fujiwhara Effect"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujiwhara_effect
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:25 AM
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11. Lets just hope Katia stays to the east and does not seriously impact
any land mass



There has always been speculation about a major storm hitting the New York area directly. I sincerely hope I don't live to see it but that black line on the map worries me.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:31 AM
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13. If Katia does not recurve before hitting land I'll eat crow.
I'm betting she will do what Earl did last year, going through the gap between the East Coast and Bermuda.

And I can't believe we are already at the K and L storms.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 11:36 AM
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14. I don't think it's a matter of "colliding"
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 11:37 AM by starroute
(Or of the Fujiwhara effect, which takes place when storms are spinning freely out in the ocean.)

By the time Lee gets to the northeast around Tuesday, he's going to be just a big ol' mess of wet weather. And if Katia does reach the East Coast, it will be several days after that.

But that said, there are complex forces at work in the weather patterns at the moment that could have unexpected effects.

Dr. Jeff Masters' blog at Weather Underground was suggesting last night that a lot depends on the tropical storm that is currently over Japan. It may become a large extratropical storm, move across the Pacific south of Alaska, and eventually get tangled up with the jet stream that brings weather systems across the US. And that, in turn, could affect whether Katia gets pushed harmlessly out to sea or has a real impact on the continental US.

There are also factors further south, such as the extremely warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico whose energy Tropical Storm Lee has only barely tapped. Or what happens when the persistent high that had been camped over Texas breaks down.

The exceptional heat the last couple of summers has actually discouraged major hurricanes by keeping the atmosphere unusually stable. But the energy has to go somewhere eventually, and I really wonder about what will happen when it does.

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