the clear winner of tonite's debate

[scheming daemons]

Barack Obama

[Chisox08]

1. Every network that didn't carry the debate

[alfredo]

59. I will never get that hour back. Actually, I gave up after

50 minutes or so. The PBS show "Engineering Ground Zero" was coming on and I didn't want to miss that. It restored my faith.

[RaleighNCDUer]

70. I admire your fortitude.

I accidentally clicked onto it while channel surfing and was traumatized by hearing Bachmann expounding on 5 lies within 3 sentences - couldn't get away from that fast enough.

[alfredo]

80. She looked crazed. She's not good under pressure it appears.

[Broderick]

2. Nice call

[dancingme]

3. Absolutely!

hope the media realizes that Rick Perry is a "dud" as my mother would say.

[immoderate]

12. The next Fred Thompson!

He was distracted, hesitant, faltering.

Romney and Huntsman outclassed him.

(I do not have any love for Romney.)

--imm

[NewJeffCT]

43. or, the next Donald Trump

Remember, he was leading for the GOP nomination early this year...

[Broderick]

45. Well he never declared that he would run

just toyed with it for self promotion. Quite different than Fred except for being ahead in polls for awhile. Fred didn't seem like he wanted to run, but there was a draft Fred movement of sorts that forced him out of the woodwork. Trump just wants his name in the news.

[NewJeffCT]

51. True, but Trump did top the polls for a week or two

when he first started making noise about it... then, he made a few mistakes and people started looking at his record, and he sank in the polls before he decided he was not running.

[Broderick]

52. I want Perry to be the nominee

He was the weakest on stage, and that was clear for anyone watching.

[Broderick]

44. Good analogy in a sense

Fred was ok in the debates I thought, but he wore the media narrative of being lazy, no fire in the belly, and the debates didn't do him any favors to counteract that. Actually I was a bit stunned by Perry's rambling at times and hesitancy. He looked like he had a point to make but didn't know how to get there, struggled to find the words and then would lose altogether what point he started on a trek to make. A poorer debate performance I can't recall by anyone. I have watched a ton of debates over time, and I just can't come up with a worse one.

[immoderate]

46. He may have been warned by handlers to be careful.

Let's hope the next time they "Let Perry be Perry!"

--imm

[Broderick]

49. He still spoke shit

Like the Galileo comment.

[immoderate]

57. A funny analogy. Galileo was suppressed by fundies.

And now the fundies are against evolution and climate science.

But their audience are true believers. They are there for agreement, not enlightenment.

--imm

[AlbertCat]

64. But their audience are true believers

Who probably have no idea what a "Galileo" is, anyway....

One of the Ninja Turtles????

and who's "Miss Miller" anyway? And why won't she let him go?

Forget it!

Go Perry!

[Chan790]

82. A worse debater?

Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale. An American war-hero...but by-no-means a politician.

A brilliant man and a fmr. prisoner of war in Vietnam; after the war his captors said they'd have killed him for the shit he pulled but they were certain that's precisely what he wanted because it would have made them look bad to kill the highest ranking POW they had. When they tried to use him for propaganda and made the mistake of giving him a razor to shave (they wanted to parade him as proof they were treating the POWs well.) he used it to slice his forehead and scalp to ribbons. When they stuck a hat on him to hide the bloody mess, he bashed his own face in with a step-stool beyond recognition until the blood poured down from under the hat. Confronted with proof of organizing resistance activities, he slit his wrists so that he would have to be taken for medical attention and could not be tortured into or used to reveal his co-conspirators. He was instrumental in organizing resistance among the POWs...for that they locked him in leg-irons, broke both his legs, and threw him in a too-short bathtub in a 3'x9' concrete hole with an exposed always-on lightbulb for the remainder of the war. Beyond the psychological damage, neither of his legs ever fully straightened again at the knee.

Went on to become Cmr. of the Naval War College and literally wrote the manual on how to survive long-term as a POW.

How do most Americans remember him?

"Who am I, what am I doing here?" The words he opened the 1992 VP debate with as Ross Perot's running mate. He had a point he was trying to make that he was going to come back around to (That he wasn't a politician and thus a very different candidate from the two men he shared the stage with, Al Gore and Dan Quayle. That people didn't know who he was and he intended to tell them why he was a unique candidate. Equally interesting, Perot never asked him what he believed politically before nominating him...he just announced it and figured they'd figure out the rest later.) but he never really got the chance.

[russspeakeasy]

42. Or as my dad would have said, " what an asshole".

:evilgrin:

[geardaddy]

54. My mom would say he's a "dip"

[muffin1]

4. Who's that?

[FrenchieCat]

5. These people are frightening......and give me an ache in the pit of my stomach....

and any one of them would change this country into something where
everyone will be totally on their own!

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[sufrommich]

10. What a ridiculous thing to use as an excuse to insult another

DUer.

[muffin1]

16. Yeah, okay...

pragmatic types never insult over 'ridiculous' topics.

[polmaven]

26. thank you!

:thumbsup:

[DocMac]

55. The mods are fast.

I never get to see the crazy posts.

[scheming daemons]

11. Dude.. I'm typing on my smart phone... gimmee a break

[immoderate]

15. You call that phone "smart?"

There's a word that's lost it's meaning. :shrug:


--imm

[FarLeftFist]

29. Picky picky.

[Lunabelle]

7. Perry's quote "Galileo got outvoted for a spell."

was priceless. I hope it's all over the news tomorrow. It disproves himself entirely and makes him even more irrelevant.

[Enthusiast]

34. Did he mean that global warming is a hoax?

Is this his round about way of saying it? Too stupid to realize how far wrong he was.

[Lunabelle]

35. Who knows what his deluded mind was trying to get his mouth to say.

He's a smarmy character. A smarmy smooth Texan.

[scheming daemons]

8. And Obama has a VERY easy act to follow

[chelsea0011]

9. Me. I missed 99percent of it.

[immoderate]

19. Even if you watched it all, you wouldn't "get" any more.

What could they say?


--imm

[hlthe2b]

13. My Dog... she slept blissfully through it with a plump, full belly...

;)

[joshcryer]

14. Heh, 20 recs instantly.

Feels like DU circa 2008...

[JuniperLea]

18. And I only had to....

Put one person on ignore! So far...

:)

[Rick Myers]

17. Love it!!!

I think you are right!!! Ah, correct!!!

[democrat2thecore]

20. I don't know - Romney would be formidable nominee

I wish Perry WOULD somehow win the nomination as the president would clean-up. However, Romney, if he's the nominee, will be a formidable foe.

[scheming daemons]

21. Romney wont win the nomination ... not tea party enough

[bluestate10]

23. You don't know much about Romney. Romney won't be formidable.

Study his political history before you write again.

[democrat2thecore]

24. No need for that

I know plenty of political history in my 52 years. I know Romney has flip-flopped and on and on. Obama has flip-flopped from a progressive candidate to a corporatist president. At any rate, the condescending tone of your post is hard to understand.

[emulatorloo]

77. Romney has done more than "flip-flop." He has destroyed companies and fired worker for personal gain

[emulatorloo]

76. especially his "job creator" history: Closing businesses, laying off workers so he could get rich

[Broderick]

47. I agree there completely

Forget the religious aspects that might doom him. He is pretty articulate and comes across better than most. Perry is like the best hope for an Obama cakewalk considering all the candidates. GingriNch is formidable on historical things, staying on point, and standing up but he is going nowhere in the Republican party. Ron Paul, well he is Ron Paul. What's her name was a up and down fad, on the way out. Cain is very articulate and well spoken but has no traction. Ricky - LMAO. Huntsman, reasonable, but not a darling of the base. That leaves at this point Romney and Perry (if he didn't kill his chances last night). We ought be preaching Perry to the choirs! Romney has the ground game, built over many years. Obama would destroy Perry head to head.

[Alcibiades]

63. I agree with you

Romney is the one Republican who scares me. Some folks think he's too moderate for today's GOP, but they also nominated McCain just four years ago, and he was the most sane, moderate choice they had. There may be enough sensible Republicans left in the party to outvote the tea party people, and the tea party vote may be split.

[Contrary1]

22. I journeyed over to that fountain of intelligence known as Freeperville...

Wanted to see what they thought. Well, it's not quite unanimous.

"Romney, and I’m not a Romney supporter."

"Perry, absolutely."

"Palin."

"Bachman. Only because she was on target. OBAMA."

"I believe Bachmann and Cain also gained, and Mitt came off real well."

"Hands down, Herman Cain won in 5 categories, and 2nd place goes to Ron Paul."

"Newt. Not that I think he should be the nominee, but he was good tonight."

[newspeak]

65. bachman was on target?

I swear, is there something in the water? I bet they especially loved her talking about child labor. Hell yeah, let's bring back the worthy robber barons, sweatshops and child hard labor. How many children died in the shirtwaist fire?

The more I hear these sociopathic greedy tendencies coming from people who love their masters, work their asses off for a bone with no meat; the more I wish we could give them a couple of states and let them live their authoritarian-corporate libertarian-apocalyptic dominionist fantasy; without the rest of us having to suffer.

[RaleighNCDUer]

71. What are you talking about? No children died in the shirtwaist fire.

They were all grown women of at least 13 or more.

[Major Hogwash]

25. Heavens to murgatroid . . . exit stage left.

I'll bet making this post hurt your head.

:rofl:

[scheming daemons]

27. Not at all... simple fact.

[Major Hogwash]

28. It's just too easy.

It's like Obama is going to go up against an 8th grader who is more interested in politics than girls.

LoL

[Major Hogwash]

37. You can bet your ass that President Obama is sleeping comfortably tonight.

Knowing that 1 of those assklowns is going to be their candidate.
Christ, it's like the Republicans aren't even trying anymore!
First McCain, and now these guys!?!

[FarLeftFist]

30. K&R!

[Skittles]

31. problem is, only smart people know that

it's idiots voting GOP

[madrchsod]

32. yup...the crazy clown car is going nowhere unless....

obama totally fucks up his run for the presidency.

[sfpcjock]

33. John Stewart said the two millionaire dwarfs looked like they belonged in

one of those middle-aged kayakers with prostate problems, Flomax commercials, LOL.

[Scurrilous]

36. K & R

:thumbsup:

[eomer]

38. Agreed, he is clearly the best Republican in the race. /eom

[ThomWV]

39. Actually they would toss him out of the Republican Party, they don't cave on anything.

[shireen]

40. LOL! thanks for the summary

I could not stomach watching it, and knew I'd get a succinct summary about it at DU!

:hi:

[PRETZEL]

41. I agree that President Obama and the Dems look so much better,

my take on it last nite,

Going across the stage,

Santorum: "I want to be Reagan's love child"

Gingrich: "1984"

Bachman: "Welcome to the United States of East Germany"

Romney: "I agree with everything the Tea Party says, but don't call me a Tea Bagger"

Perry: "Screw the seniors, they're not worth God's time of day"

Paul: "Let's let bankrupt local governments handle everything"

Huntsman: "Utah is the model for the rest of the country"

Cain: "Businesses have only your best interest in mind, they can fix everything"


My dog was even laughing at them.

[newspeak]

66. you know, I think Joseph Smith attempted a short run for president

After living in utah and seeing how the church controls their members' lives; I would never vote for a mormon. I have debated with my two bosses on their concepts of taxes and corporations and helping people. Did you know that property tax is unfair because only those with property have to pay it-and that there should be a tax on food because then everyone would have to pay, even the starving poor. No kidding, to me, their views are geared to the wealthy and successful are god's chosen--being poor must be a punishment.

And if you want to know what they think of "gentiles", that's you and me, read the "great pearl of price."

I know I'm sounding prejudice even though some of my family on hubby's side are mormons; but many are very indoctrinated and I do have a problem with it.

[PRETZEL]

68. That I didn't know

unfortunately I'm not very well versed on Mormon Theology and ideology.

Thanks for the connection.

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[joeybee12]

50. Unfortunately the media isn't spinning it that way...

Assholes that they are.

[paparush]

53. Lest we forget, another classic Republican Debate Moment in History-

[VWolf]

58. OMG I know that's not photoshopped

bacause I remember the entire video of the incident.

But jeez, could a cartoonist do any better?

:rofl:

[stubtoe]

60. I really, really like that sig line. Succinct and right on!

[pinto]

56. Agree. (nt)

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[HughBeaumont]

67. I see.

But the unbridled capitalism that begat the war and damned near everything else that's wrong with this country today, that's basically OK, right?

[demwing]

72. That's not a "story" - thats a punchline.

to a joke played by Republicans, and America isn't laughing

[Lone_Star_Dem]

62. Yep. That was a sad display last night.

To think that's the best, and the brightest they have to offer. Wow.

[Wait Wut]

69. Damn.

:loveya:

You made me all tingly or sumthin. Don't tell my husband.

[demwing]

73. I've seen just bits - can you elaborate?

Are you just rallying the team (not a bad thing), or were there specific reasons for your conclusion?

[scheming daemons]

74. The GOP leading candidate threw away FL and PA on the general election

Ponzi scheme Perry doubled down, and has lost the elderly vote.

[demwing]

78. The Ponz

A ready for Photoshop opportunity

[Whisp]

75. good one. and it's true.

the President is light years ahead of those clowns in so many ways.

but we have the media to cover for the Bagglicans, I'm sure they will point out all Obama's 'weaknesses' and give the Keystone Cops respect and passes.

[PatrynXX]

79. Couldn't tell if they knew who was currently in the white house

a republican or a democrat because all they did was spend time attacking each other. yawn...

[groundloop]

81. Just the thought of any one of those clowns in the WH solidifies my support for Obama

In fact, the thought of Perry, Bachman, or Mittens in the White House gets me downright FIRED UP!

I watched just a little bit of that debate, couldn't stomach those idiots any longer than that.

[DCBob]

83. Really glad the President switched his speech to tonight.

The contrast with the GOPer lie-bate was perfect.