XemaSab
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:11 PM
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Do you think that people who lie about being first responders |
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should be prosecuted under the Stolen Valor act?
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nadinbrzezinski
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:13 PM
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No, not the same thing...
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Hassin Bin Sober
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:17 PM
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2. Is the stolen valor act still around? I thought it got tossed. |
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:17 PM
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4. It's still under challenge |
Hassin Bin Sober
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:28 PM
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6. Yep. My memory served me. It's been ruled unconstitutional in a couple courts. |
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I believe it IS unconstitutional. They might as well outlaw fisherman lying about the size of the fish they catch.
Unless fraud or coercion is involved, boasting and lying is still protected speech.
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:37 PM
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7. I gor an issue with somebody claiming a silver |
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Star they never earned, but that's just me. It's not a matter of free speech. Again just me.
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Fri Sep-09-11 03:14 PM
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9. As long as we don't make people's "issues" in to law, I'm OK with that. |
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That's exactly why I hate republicans. They want to make their "issues" in to the law of the land.
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Fri Sep-09-11 03:26 PM
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10. This is not a matter of free speech |
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Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 03:26 PM by nadinbrzezinski
It actually extended the felony aspect of claiming a CMH. I am Aware why civilians don't get this is a problem.
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Hassin Bin Sober
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Fri Sep-09-11 04:50 PM
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12. It certainly IS free speech as long as there is no attempt to commit fraud. Then it is fraud. |
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Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 05:03 PM by Hassin Bin Sober
Civilian? What does THAT have to do with anything? I served, BTW. You?
Edit to add: And, in the future, any "problems" you are considering supporting laws against that you don't "expect civilians to understand".....are probably complete garbage. Especially where the free speech of "civilians" is concerned.
The best thing to do is point and laugh at clowns who have delusions of grandeur (and I've met plenty) the same way you laugh at people telling fishing stories. If there is no fraud there is no foul. The only damage done is to the clown's reputation.
Just because some needle-dick politicians can pass a law and have Der Chimpin-Fuhrer sign it, that doesn't make the law constitutional. That idea someone "diminishes" another's service by claiming to be an ex-anything is laughable - or at least it would be if that stupid idea wasn't being defended here on DU.
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Fri Sep-09-11 05:20 PM
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13. I served somewhere else |
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And th fraud aspect s why this was written...too much of that crap.
Oh and hubby served in the navy as well, and he also gets it.
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:17 PM
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3. As soon as Bush/Cheney are prosecuted for war crimes. nt |
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:18 PM
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All that needs to be done is to let that false claim out in public.
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Fri Sep-09-11 02:49 PM
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8. Anyone in particular in mind? To me it's a "specifics" question, not a "principle" question. |
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Fri Sep-09-11 03:40 PM
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If someone falsely claims to be a first responder to get some special insurance/healthcare/financial benefit, then that's fraud and should already be prosecutable...
If someone falsely claims to be a first responder to get chicks at the bar or something, what can you really do?
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