OMFG - M$NBComcast is actually attempting

[malaise]

tp blame the state of the economy on 9/11.
Listen hacks and corporate whores, examine Bushco's role in the 'off the book wars', tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, and those criminal mortgage deals -Bush and his cronies created this economic mess.

[Le Taz Hot]

1. Actually, in a way, they're right.

For exactly the reasons you named: Bush "hit the trifecta" and used 9/11 to accelerate the financial raping of America. Policies being dutifully extended by the current administration.

[ellenrr]

2. Sorry Malaise, this is not a republican depression

democrats - presidents and congress - are just as culpable.

Bill Clinton NAFTA - How quickly we forget.

tax the rich? Not according to this democratic president.

Any economist will tell you the roots go back at least 30 years - thru dem and repub administrations.

[SpiralHawk]

3. Not sorry, Ellen. You cannot re-write facts. It is undeniably a Republicon Depression.

Everyone -- Fox propaganda consumers (R) and SuckerPuppets (R) aside -- knows full well that the Republicons flushed America's economy into the crapper.

And now Republicons -- having publically acknowledged that their main goal is not to do something for America but to defeat Obama -- are doing all they can to keep America's economy in the crapper.

Read the republicon record of words and deeds against America. For those who love America, the Republicon record of anti-American conniving and malfeasance is heartbreaking.
http://www.bamboobillrods.com/stage/images/In-The-Crapper-Again!.jpg

[malaise]

11. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

:hi:

By the way have you ever heard Brokaw or any of them ever mention the deaths of citizens in other countries from US bombs or drones?

[SpiralHawk]

14. Nope. Good Morning Malai...

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[Le Taz Hot]

7. The same way I got to

11,379 posts -- one post at a time. :shrug:

[pintobean]

9. good answer

:)
Post count call-outs are a no-no
for good reason
We all started with one.

[stlsaxman]

17. i beg your pardon, pinto. i occasionally forget that "post count call-out" rule.

i'll try harder to be tolerant of those who play so loosely with history in the future.

[pintobean]

20. How about the mod call-out?

Perhaps a fact based reply would have been better.

[stlsaxman]

21. oh okay then- i'm sorry for that, too...

give a fellow St. Louisan a break, huh? We're raised to snark! ;)

[ellenrr]

24. How old are you anyway? 12?

Do you always run to maw and paw when someone disagrees with you?

Anyway it is clear you are one of the small army of troll/idiots/repubs who post here trying to make dems look bad.

transparent really.

you can go back to yr little right-wing board and tell them how you hit one for the team and they'll applaud. clap clap clap.

I tell you if all the right-wingers on boards everywhere would get a life, internet traffic would drop by 50%

[stlsaxman]

32. is this post "cut 'n' paste"? it seems to have NOTHING to do with the thread...

transparent, indeed.

FYI i have been posting on DU since i ran across them in D.C in 2001 protesting the Bush/Cheney inaugural...

(do the math- i took off work drove myself up to DC in 2000... so, yeah, i'm older than 12)

your post could be a reply to anyone, anywhere at any time. i would suggest you broaden the subject matter of your "response clipboard". though i suppose it saves you valuable time earning Britebart Brownie Points!

[ellenrr]

8. oh I see...Bec. I say what is true I should not be allowed to post?

that certainly is a good liberal progressive idea. NOT

You are entitled to remain uninformed but why do you screech ban her at someone who is trying to educate you?

I guess I know the answer, the same reason Palin and Bachman try to distort facts that do not fit their pre-arranged agenda. Aren't you on the wrong forum?
Why don't you join the censor what we disagree with forum?

jesus don't you read any of the posts here??!!

[malaise]

10. Yep as true as the WMDs in Iraq n/t

[stlsaxman]

16. What, exactly, in your post (#2) is "true"?

you are certainly entitled to your opinions- but your "truths" are far from factual.

"the same reason Palin and Bachman try to distort facts", indeed!

(oh- and congratulations- you spelled Palin's name correctly! a shame you missed on Bachmann's)

[Rex]

30. No, it is true. This horrible economy was caused by the GOP.

You should learn a little more about contemporary history. Clinton had us with a surplus and a great economy. He saved it from the Reagan/Bush Sr. crime sprees. The fact that people don't like Bill Clinton is not my fault.

9/11 caused a lot of the economic heartache we face today...two wars also helped push us over the edge. You can blame Obama and his 3 years in office all ya want to, it was the GOP that caused all this.

Just a part of history most people know.

[GoCubsGo]

5. You do understand that NAFTA was passed by a republican Congress?

Had Clinton vetoed it, it would have been overridden. Not to mention that over the past 30 years, 20 of them have been under republican presidents. The "Democrats are just as culpable" - hardly.

[Le Taz Hot]

6. Clinton ENTHUSIASTICALLY supported NAFTA

"Clinton made it one of his goals as president to pass trade legislation that lowered the barriers to trade with other nations. He broke with many of his supporters, including labor unions, and those in his own party to support free-trade legislation.<72> Opponents argued that lowering tariffs and relaxing rules on imports would cost American jobs because people would buy cheaper products from other countries. Clinton countered that free trade would help America because it would allow the U.S. to boost its exports and grow the economy. Clinton also believed that free trade could help move foreign nations to economic and political reform."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bill_Clinton#The_economy

Gotta love the revisionist history here.

[KG]

12. yep.this recession has its root in reaganomics, policies that have been enthusiastically

endorsed and continued by democratic presidents and policticians since then.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. You are correct.

Clinton pushed it hard. The idea that he'd veto his own project is just hilarious.

[LuvNewcastle]

15. Yes it is.

Clinton worked hard to get NAFTA passed. I think Hillary would have won the nomination in 2008 if voters had not deemed her guilty by association.

[pintobean]

18. It would have been overridden?

That's hard to imagine.

"The ability to enforce these clauses, especially with Mexico, and with much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by a vote of 234 to 200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement#Negotiation_and_U.S._ratification

[HughBeaumont]

19. NAFTA also originated under the terms of Reagan and Bewsh the Smarter.

Bewsh the Smarter ceremonially signed it in 1992. Then he got ousted.

While Clinton is unforgiveable for supporting free trade and free-market economics, it's kind of disingenuous to say that Democrats had a 50/50 equal hand in the current damage. A 12-year Republican-controlled congress rubberstamped all kinds of damaging legislation from war to deregulation. This is, by and large, a Republican-originated and glad-handed shitstorm.

[theophilus]

25. I agree some, so-called Democrats, share a part of the blame. But it has been

right-wing policies that have hurt us. To the extent that a politician with a D by their name follows the lead of the Republicans results in our pain, imo.

[EFerrari]

22. "Listen hacks and corporate whores"

:rofl:

[malaise]

26. Good morning sister

:D

[EFerrari]

27. Good morning. I so wish I could steal you to help me arrest the Dick

at some point on his book tour. I bet you could do it. :evilgrin:

[malaise]

29. Hahahahahhaha

Now that would be fun :rofl:

[Drew Richards]

23. In point of Fact the beginning of the end was the Republican

Financial Deregulation

This was a bipartisan fire sale started in 1999 of our protections from corporate entities and their greed. Specifically under the Clinton Presidency proposed by the Republicans Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act, repealing the "Glass-Steagall Act" 1999 and accepted in total by the Republican chair of the Finance Committee Jim Leach and unopposed by Democratic members of the committee. The Democrats in congress could have filibustered or President Clinton could have rejected this bill but surprisingly this did not occur.

Barney Frank it was rumored allegedly praised and glorified this bill repeatedly and profusely on the house floor and yet, he voted against it, because... "it didn't go far enough." His words...And then...he got the chairmanship...words cannot express my contempt...

What this means in laymen's terms is that rather than gambling with their own money now banks and financial institutions can gamble with your money with no requirement of maintaining a capital reserve...

[malaise]

28. Well to be fair to some of the posters on this thread

We had a Democratic President when Glass-Steagall was repealed and some of our greediest sold out as well. Still most of this mess was created by ReTHUGS

[JoePhilly]

31. Correct, and then the impact was accelerated under Bush in a number of ways ....

1) His administration told the financial regulators to stand down, and weakened oversight further.

2) The tax cuts for the rich killed the surplus.

3) Iraq war went unpaid for.

4) Medicare part D.

Together, these actions, on top of the G-L-B act generated a bubble which when popped, sucked cash out of lending, at the same time the deficit was growing at a record pace.

Putting us where we are now.

[JohnnyBoots]

33. Didn't Bush give a speech where he stressed the glories of

home ownership? That home ownership for everyone was going to be one of the pillars of his presidency. He set the table for this whole mess, yet you never hear mention of that speech.