Will Karl Rove bury the record of his 2004 election theft? (Fitrakis & Wasserman)

[Octafish]

For those concerned about Election Theft:

Will Karl Rove bury the record of his 2004 election theft?

By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
Online Journal Guest Writers
Jan 12, 2011, 00:11

An epic legal battle now rages between Karl Rove and Ohio election rights attorneys. The question is whether the public has the right to see full transcripts of a court deposition that could shed explosive new light on the bitterly contested presidential election of 2004.

The deposition came from the late Michael Connell, Rove’s IT guru. Connell died in a mysterious plan crash in December 2008, one month after he spoke under oath to election protection attorney Clifford O. Arnebeck. Connell had implanted the state-contracted software used to compute Ohio’s electronic voting tabulations during the contest between Bush and John Kerry.

On December 10, 2010, attorneys in the King-Lincoln-Bronzeville Neighborhood Association case moved to release the Connell transcript in an ongoing legal struggle with Rove and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The King-Lincoln case was filed in 2006 by attorney Arnebeck alleging civil rights violations against blacks, young voters and others in Ohio’s 2004 election process.

Connell’s November 3, 2008 deposition in Cleveland concerned his role in the 2004 election and whether or not he was being threatened by Rove. Just over a month later on December 19, 2008, Connell died in the mysterious crash of his small plane near his Akron, Ohio, home. Suspicions of foul play surround the accident.

CONTINUED...

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_6788.shtml

Assange fears for his life, while Rove runs free. Lots more to be concerned about.

[Botany]

1. Karl Rove could screw a goat in public and still get a pass

Why that man is not in prison I will never know.

[mod mom]

6. Remember when we had faith that a Conyers Judiciary Committee meant a pursuit of justice?

It's a just a facade of justice that protects the connected. :mad:

[femrap]

23. Remember Patrick Fitzgerald

and all the hope we had in that asshole??? I had no idea what a f*cking repugnant he was until he indicted that Dem Governor of IL. I saw the press conference and Fitzgerald was acting like a rabid dog....he was infuriated! He was yelling and spitting. I was in shock.

Remember how he was always so calm and rational during the Plame Investigation? Well, what I saw at the Press Conference was the complete opposite.

Then I realized that at the beginning of the investigation, he knew that Scooter was the one to go under the bus. I hate this guy now. He had us all thinking he was a 'good guy.'

He makes Conyers look like a Teddy Bear....but he mislead us as well.

They all betrayed us. I wanted W and Shooter impeached. They both should be in jail.

Shit...it still makes me mad.:rant: :nuke: :grr: :argh: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[L. Coyote]

38. Actually, Conyers problem may have been the Comm. staff.

Have you not see who the attorney doing the questioning was?
The former counsel for the Ohio Republican Party! That's Cliff Arnebeck!

[mod mom]

57. I personally know Cliff and think your assessment is out of line.

Yes, Cliff was a republican, in fact he was Bob Dole's campaign counsel when he ran for president. It was that campaign that opened Cliff's eyes after HW's surprising upset in the NH primary. I will vouch for Cliff as having the highest integrity and personal ethics. Why do you think he continues to pursue this? Do you think it's been good for his career? You are totally misinformed bout him.

[Octafish]

25. Rove was the Brains of the Outfit. He'd be a good one to start torturing -- I mean, investigating...

Unfortunately, not everyone sees things that way...

Government Nanny Censoring "Conspiracy Theories" is Also Responsible for Letting Bush Era Torture and Spying Conspiracies Go Unpunished

EXCERPT...

Prosecuting government officials risks a “cycle” of criminalizing public service, (Cass Sunstein) argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton — or even the “slight appearance” of it.

[rbrnmw]

50. Not true no self respecting

goat would allow it :puke:

[DCKit]

2. If Kkkarl is exposed, my faith in "the system" will be greatly restored. nt

[Frustratedlady]

3. Amen! Why was the Chamber of Commerce involved? n/t

[DCKit]

4. They're run/owned/funded by the same corporate persons, Silly. nt

[Botany]

5. My guess is they were helping to fund some of the dirty acts

n/t

[Golden Raisin]

49. Don't hold your breath.

[lonestarnot]

7. Booking! K & R!

[UTUSN]

8. K&R #16 for, if only KKKarl ended up as cellmate to Bugman DELAY!1 n/t

[Octafish]

31. Turd Blossom's career would be back where it started.

Molly Ivins pegged the Mayberry Machiavelli way back when:

Karl Rove's Early Machinations

[chimpymustgo]

9. K&R.

[Tippy]

10. The election was stolen in 2000 and in 2004 there is no doubt in my mind

There is no doubt in many minds sharper then mine. It all come down to who has the most money. And we all know who that is. I really believe Gore knew. But when some of our own in congress went ot him and asked him to drop the matter in the interest of the people he was convinced. Either that or they got to him by threatening him or his family. I always wondered why Chattanooga was chosen as the site for Michael Connell to do his dirty deed. Never found a viable explanation. Up thread someone mentioned th US Chamber. Considering how much was spent by the Chamber in our 2010, mid terms should give you a big clue.

[Frustratedlady]

13. But that wasn't 2010. That's why the CofC being involved surprised me.

I'd never heard of their involvement before 2010, or it flew over my head.

[Tippy]

18. Until the SCOTUS opened the spiggots with their rulling

The US Chamber did little but was always involved with elections, The only thng they couldn't do was buy one. Our local chamber sponsored events for candidatesbut both parties were involved and they could not as a group buy ad's but with the US Chamber it was all done very subbtle ways. Now you must remember not all Chambers are members, of the US Chamber of Commerce. And the US Chamber is in the business of electing Republicans. They are all about big business....They are in the business of buying candidates to do their bidding.

[L. Coyote]

39. Chattanooga is a diversion to coverr-up the real crime, unrelated to the election.

The missing e-mails!

[bullwinkle428]

11. That would imply that Rove has genuine fears about prosecution,

which I somehow am doubting at the moment.

[hootinholler]

14. Only if the right people can testify

They seem to be getting a scarce resource.

-Hoot

[seafan]

12. Thank you for documenting this, Octafish.

It's up to all of us to preserve this kind of information, because there is an ongoing massive effort to bury it. Literally.

Here's more from the 2004 time period.

Subpoena SUSAN B. RALSTON. She holds the key to WH e-mail systems, election night '04 and Abramoff.


The pen is, indeed, mightier than the sword. Thanks again, Octafish.

[warren pease]

15. For more Ohio election theft details...

Google "Stephen Spoonamore" and read his deposition (available as a PDF file). Spoonamore was the guy who set up the IT architecture that funneled votes to the GOP's servers and Connell designed the vote-flipping interface.

Thanks for bringing this issue up. Surprisingly, M$M has failed to do its usual outstanding job of investigative reporting.

wp

[L. Coyote]

40. Bunch of crap suppositions

There were no votes funneled to GOP servers. There were servers reporting the votes counted by the counties in Ohio, then after that there were official vote counts. There was no vote-flipping interface. This is all in your imagination.

[SpiralHawk]

16. The k and the r

for sure

[JackRiddler]

17. k & r

[Kurovski]

19. K&R. (nt)

[RedCloud]

20. Smart money says yes. Media are too happy faced.

[Z_I_Peevey]

21. K&R

[Senator]

22. K&+R

[northoftheborder]

24. Glad I didn't miss this one.

How and when will this be decided, does anyone know?

[bleever]

26. Heeeeere's Karl:

Election night 2004 in the White House dining room.

[Kurovski]

28. He was just ordering pizza!

How. Many. Times. Must you be told!

[L. Coyote]

46. Where is the photo of the ballots being switched in Cuyahoga County, OH?

Oh yeah, everyone was being distracted by Karl Rove in Washington ordering pizza!!

There wasn't any ballot counting going on in Karl's office, to be sure. Meanwhile, in Ohio, if you moved a ballot from pile A to pile B, a Kerry vote became a Bush vote.

[mod mom]

29. I was on the ground that day and it opened my eyes to the sham

of a democracy we have. Instead of jail time the crooks landed lucrative positions, partially aided by a Democratic Party who refused to prosecute, and some who even assisted in the theft:

:mad:



Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[Kurovski]

30. I just can't imagine what it's like to have to listen to Matlin every day.

[mod mom]

35. & 10lbs of make-up can't hide the ugliness of her soul.

They deserve each other. :hi:

[Kurovski]

37. Thet seem to like it thet way.

:hi:

[bleever]

32. My heart always goes out to Ohio DUers

like you, Botany, roseBudd, and others who fought the good fight on the ground.

:patriot:

:hi:

[mod mom]

36. and we had the support of many DUers like you & others

who fought on our side.
I moved on to concentrate on my kids & family but we are all lucky to have Bob, Harvey & Cliff still fighting for the truth. I worked hard for Obama in both the primary & in election protection/voter registration for the general, but quite honestly, my devotion to a party is marred beyond repair, especially after how they treated Jennifer Brunner.

:hi:

[Poboy]

27. Recommend

[rhett o rick]

33. He is currently working on stealing the 2012 election. I wonder if the Democrats will care this time

[Cleita]

34. Throw him in the Graybar Hotel with Tom DeLay.

He's a criminal too. That should keep him out of the way.

[bertman]

41. Thanks for posting this, Octafish. But we all know the answer is YES.

The people who control this nation don't plan on letting anyone get in their way. Rove's their boy on the Republican side. He's protected until he dies a shriveled old man, living in luxury among his fellow One Percenters.

Recced anyway. People need to know this shit.

[L. Coyote]

47. We all know the answer is NO regarding burying the record of what happened in OH.

The record is there for anyone to examine.
The problem is, nobody does anything about it.

[Matilda]

42. This is why I fear for Assange if he is extradited to the U.S.

Especially in light of the rumours that Rove is involved with the Swedish authorities in some way.

[L. Coyote]

43. Why is this false flag operation being heralded again?

Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman have this all wrong, and they know it. But they keep on pouring out the same BS.

How many times does one need to counter the same right-wing lies on DU before people get it?
Doesn't anyone do any research anymore? Isn't there any critical thinking on this board?

Octafish, you should know better by now!

GET REAL: Steven Rosenfeld and Bob Fitrakis as "coincidence theorists"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x508385#508414

Why is this straw house being built? We need more than hollow speculations.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x508353#508373

We already know enough. But noone acts on the evidence.

Stealing Ohio was as simple as moving ballots to the next pile to change a Kerry punch to a Bush vote!
It all happened before the counting, so this event is not relevant to the Ohio vote switching inquiry.

http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html
How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes

This story is relevant to the missing e-mails, but the lawsuit is designed to fill pockets and detract from the theft of the election.

The plaintiff's attorneys do not give a hoot about real evidence when it is handed to them!!
The lawsuit is frivolous, a total con, and it is failing miserably as a lawsuit.
It sure keeps working to distract from the truth though and suck in the gullible.

[L. Coyote]

44. Unrec

[L. Coyote]

45. It wasn't Karl Rove stealing Ohio in 2004. It was the Republicans in Ohio!

Not that anyone is doing anything about it, of course, unless you count false flags like this story.

One can do a lot of research right here on DU to get the real story.

What was Rove really doing? Here is one bit of the story:
Jason Leopold: Mark “Thor” Hearne, Bush Operative Pushes Voter-ID Law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3290432

How was OPhio stolen?
OHIO 2004: 6.15% Kerry-Bush vote-switch found in probability study
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x259620

Who actually did it? Read the thread above ....

[pacalo]

48. Thanks, Octafish.

Reading later during quiet time. :)

[The Wizard]

51. Rove is a Bush Family capo

and beyond the reach of the law. The Bush cartel makes the Mafia look like girl scouts.

[loudsue]

55. That's the point. The bush mafia's reach is unstoppable. Jeb Bush is next in line,

and Kkkarl is going to do everything he can to insure jeb gets to be president someday.

[MaeScott]

52. K and R. nt

[TheUnspeakable]

53. k&r

[Fly by night]

54. Unfortunately Rove has many allies in keeping our elections unverifiable.

They include self-proclaimed election integrists who have opposed the Holt bill at every turn, and DINOs in state legislatures (most notably in Tennessee) who cannot be convinced that unverifiable elections are the death-knell of the Democratic Party. The party is dead here in Tennessee -- it just hasn't gotten the memo yet.

Those fellow-travelers include persistent multi-posters on this thread.

[Overseas]

56. K&R. Yes he will keep trying to do so.

And Republicans are probably still glad we have not pushed harder for verifiable election results and that too many Democratic legislators consider election theft too unpleasant to talk about.