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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:39 AM
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How energy problems are fueling our uncivil unrest
The Peak Oil Crisis: Civil Unrest

Buried in the millions of words that were written about the shootings in Arizona last week was a recent poll showing that only 13 percent of the American people think favorably of the U.S. Congress. Why are so many, so mad at the Congress? The answer is simple - they have no idea what is happening to their lives. Since the beginning of the great recession way back in 2007 they have been told by two Presidents, their senior officials, 99 percent of the Congress, and most of the media that recovery was on the way and that prosperity would return shortly.

As unemployment in the U.S. grew and grew, every politician with a prayer of winning positioned him or herself as the "jobs" candidate who could and would get us all working at good high-paying jobs again. This of course has not returned and is unlikely to do so. We are not only contending with a growing debt bubble of gigantic proportions, we are also rapidly running out of the cheap, abundant energy that allowed us to be so prosperous for the last 200 years.

The real problem, of course, is that without a continually growing source of cheap and abundant energy, such as that provided by fossil fuels, there will never again be significant economic growth in the sense to which we have become accustomed. It is inevitable that we are all going to get much poorer, in a material sense, and this is the great secret of our age that so far few have had the courage to express. The easier path has been Keynesian stimulation of the economy, government bailouts of what were held to be key financial and industrial institutions, and tax cuts to mollify those who believe all problems stem from taxes. These measures were accompanied by endless expressions of hope that things would soon be better.

As has been frequently noted by the media in recent days, the level of political discourse in America has been droping markedly in recent years and while no one of any stature seems to be openly advocating violence, some are getting mighty close. Another few years of economic stagnation and increasing unemployment could easily bring us to the point where the line will be crossed.

The recent movement of Mexico from a state of relative order towards the lawless disorder of a narco-state coincides very uncomfortably with the loss of output from their oil fields. Over the last 5 years Mexico's oil output has declined by one-third, while their revenue-generating oil exports have fallen by almost half. Since nature abhors a vacuum, the drug trade has moved in to fill the void.

While I’m not saying that the US is in the same imminent danger as Mexico, the point is that we ignore the linkage between energy and civilization at our peril. Cheap energy, in particular cheap oil, is the main component of the thin veneer of civilization that papers over our baser instincts.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 11:32 AM
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1. GG,
>>>cheap oil, is the main component of the thin veneer of civilization that papers over our baser instincts.<<<

Word "civilization" comes from the latin word 'civis', meaning citizen of Rome. Empire.

Being a citizen of Empire and identifying as such, is actually something less than being a human. Being a human has much wider sense of meaning and potential than the much narrower case of being a mere citizen, being civilized.

And please, let's not get into the discussion about baser instincts of violence and greed and ways of Empire, of civilization... ;)
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:05 PM
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4. Yes, people were human long before they were civilized.
There are many days when I feel that in fact "civilization" marked a retreat from our humanity.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:50 PM
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6. Well,
ecologically defined (according to historical testimony) civilization is marked by unsustainable agriculture (etc.). IE they all collapse (usually after getting very imperialistic), under this definition and understanding by a self-caused collapse of .

This means only having a self-understanding, not a deterministic prediction. We can give civilization a new meaning by basing it on sustainable way of life. Unsustainable way of life is just unsustainable, nothing sustainable cannot be based on it. After the tide turns, significantly enough, there will be all the time to needed to learn and adjust, together. Tide is turning allready pretty fast, and there's no hurry anywhere. :)
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 11:55 AM
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2. k&r n/t
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:28 PM
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3. Until the leaders of this nation tell the people the truth things are going
to continue to deteriorate and no alternatives will be found. Most of America does not read enough to learn what is actually happening so someone must tell them most likely via television or movies. It would also help if the president would lay this stuff out in as clear language as he can. Unrest will still be a problem even if they know because there will still be deniers and people who think there is a magic pill somewhere that will fix everything. That cannot be changed.

But many of the people who do know the truth are the very people in the world of finance, the present energy Moguls, the multinational corporations, the military industry, etc. who are skimming the wealth into their own pockets as fast as they can and getting by with it. This also will not stop but at least if the truth were out there we would know why and possibly have a chance.

I know that the truth could panic people or bring everything crashing down faster but it could also give us a chance to rebuild locally and without so much resistance. I am afraid that the effects of oil depletion are happening faster than the needed changes to an alternative lifestyle. Sure you see a lot more people with gardens but not near enough to feed everyone. And the change to local farming is almost non-existent. You see houses being made more energy efficient but not near fast enough. The roads are still full of cars with one person in them while buses are half full and train tracks are still being allowed to deteriorate. These are just a few of the examples of the alternatives moving slower than the problem is growing.

We see no reason for moving any faster and many of us still think that we can keep the status quo. If we knew the truth I believe enough in the human spirit, the urge to survive, that we would start doing things other than fighting change. Now all we know how to do is to get angry and blame whatever political party that is in at the moment.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:32 PM
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5. Rising expectations and failed dreams= Revolution!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:51 PM
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7. Mexico is falling apart because the drug war is fucking lunacy.
People are going to buy drugs no matter what the price of gas is.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:56 PM
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8. 40% of Mexico's federal budget came from oil exports
What do you suppose happens when their oil exports flatline? They turn to other industries, right? What other major industries do they have? Right.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 07:00 PM
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9. There are a long list of reasons why we need to move beyond fossil fuels.
However, what's happening in Mexico is akin to the liquor wars during prohibition, and has more to do with idiotic prohibition policies than anything else.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 07:17 PM
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10. The war on drugs will make the difference between
Mexico ending up as an ordinary failed state or as a failed narco-state. I agree with you about the idiocy of the policies. Do you know the phrase, "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind"? What's happening in Mexico is the drug-war whirlwind. But the social destabilization flowing from the loss of oil revenues is giving it room to blow.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 07:54 PM
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11. I prefer the Robert Hunter version-
if you plant ice, you gonna harvest wind

... but I suspect you're right, it (loss of oil revenue) certainly doesn't help the situation any.
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 08:44 PM
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12. Unrest?
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 08:44 PM by CanSocDem

"Cheap energy, in particular cheap oil, is the main component of the thin veneer of civilization that papers over our baser instincts."

It could be argued that "cheap oil" is THE agent of destruction in 'civilized' societies. What say we let that industry crash and trust, not fear, "our baser instincts".


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