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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:40 AM
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You Just Can't Fake That
You cannot fake a speech like Obama gave last night. I don't care how good of an orator you are. If what he said was not in his heart, it would have come off just as a good speech instead of sending goose bumps down my spine. Who, when and how he focused on the victims and the heros was amazing, but the clincher is how he focused on the little girl and how he took MEANING from her tragic death. The President really HONORED her and her death and called upon all of our higher angels to make all of their deaths MATTER.

Do you really think a Bush or John McCain or Hillary or Palin could have given a speech like that -even if the words were exactly the same? There is something about this man for sure and I remain convinced that he is the absolute best person to be running the country at this particular time.

I joined DU in 2000 (under a different user name) after Bush was elected because I got a gut feeling that we were really going to be screwed and that Bush was going to destroy this country - there would be war and financial ruin. It didn't take long for my fears to be realized. Absolutely every negative thing I read about Bush, et al, resonated with me and I knew it was true, despite all the RW spewing that God put him in the White House and he was the right man for the job, etc. (Well, I guess cosmically he was). I was and have been a HUGE supporter of Obama and I also felt in my gut that there was something very special about him, that he was meant to be our leader during this particular time to lead us into 2012 (which has been recorded in every religion and region since the beginning of time). I purposely read everything negative I could find on the man (especially alot here at DU) and I just felt it was wrong, nothing he has done has resonated with me as Obama being a negative entity.

I too was disappointed in some of his decisions - especially the tax cut - and I had to really sit and think about who is this man really. And then I hear this speech (among other things) and my faith in him is immediately restored. There are so many things we don't know, so many truths that have been hidden from us throughout our history - we're all feeling our way around, groping our way through the dark - and I believe Obama is the light that will lead us to the promised land (to use a biblical term).

I have said from the beginning that the office of the presidency since Bush is probably the LEAST powerful office now in our history. Bush/Cheney et al sold the country out completely before they walked out the door. The military industrial complex runs things, the bankers run things, wall street runs things, not Obama. He is outnumbered, but he is not out manned. I believe this man knows exactly what he is doing. I know the running joke here is that Obama is playing 3D chest - well, chances are he is - but there is no way to prove that until we near 2012. Obama didn't start these wars, but he got stuck with them. Obama didn't destroy the economy, but he got stuck with the problem and the blame. Obama didn't set up Guantanamo or institute torture, and he's tried his best to end it - but has been overruled time and time again.

Believe it or not - it is all working in perfect divine order - all that is wrong will be made right and in the end - we will be living in a 100% more harmonious world. That's where we're heading. All this negativity, violence, fear and hatred will be dispelled - and there will only be love. Obama knows that and he speaks of it - he KNOWS what is going on. I wish we could all unite behind him, but even if you can't do that - you can send him good thoughts and wishes and mostly strength. Its just amazing to me how old and grey all the presidents get after just a year or two in office. We just really don't know half of what is going on and we are only getting about a quarter of the picture, for now. But we will all know the truth, and we're going to know if very soon.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:44 AM
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1. Lovely post, thank you! nt
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:52 AM
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3. Yes indeed, thank you Enlightened One.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:44 AM
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2. Sure a hell of a lot more Presidential than Lady Blah-Blah's phony baloney...
earlier that day. :puke:

How anyone (e.g. Andrea Mitchell) could call that crap "Presidential" is beyond me!
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:54 AM
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4. Particularly touching to me was Michelle's reactions as she watched her husband speak.
She was tearing up and that said to me that he believes what he speaks.
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:59 AM
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6. Yes,
And it was hard not to notice how Obama seemingly "fell into her embrace" when they hugged each other when he was done. Those two got the real deal going on there.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:56 AM
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5. I agree with you,
Enlightened One! K&R
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ProudProgressiveNow Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 11:04 AM
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7. Well said! nt
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 11:28 AM
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8. Thank you so much for this beautiful post! K&R n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:57 PM
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:33 PM
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13. Its helpful sometimes to actually READ the link you post
We're seeing spontaneous eye opening," said Dr. Peter Rhee.

Giffords was opening her eye for as long as 15 minutes at a time Thursday, doctors said.

Giffords has flickered her eyes in response to commands before, said Rhee and Dr. G. Michael Lemole.

What's different about Wednesday's eye opening is that it was a spontaneous act on Giffords' part, they said.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:08 PM
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:11 PM
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20. Its on the left hand side of your link
that's where I read and posted the comments from.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:34 PM
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:51 PM
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22. Geezzzzz, seriously?
You are calling what Obama did a "lie" and a "whopper"? Seriously??

How about take it from this report:

In a news conference at University Medical Center in Tucson, the doctors said they were pleased that Giffords (D-Ariz.) opened her unbandaged left eye "spontaneously" Wednesday night in response to the presence of friends from Congress, and they said they were glad that President Obama disclosed the development in his speech shortly afterward at a memorial service for the victims of Saturday's shootings at a Giffords constituent event.

Doctors call eye opening, responses a 'milestone'

Neurosurgeon say lawmaker can sit on the edge of her bed and dangle her legs over the side, move both of her arms and legs and open both her eyes.

G. Michael Lemole Jr., the hospital's chief neurosurgeon, and Peter Rhee, the head of emergency care, said Giffords since then also has been able to sit on the edge of her bed and dangle her legs over the side, move both of her arms and legs and open both of her eyes.

MORE:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


It was rather powerful in that Gabby opened her eyes - in a way metaphorically speaking kind of says - wouldn't it be wonderful if EVERY ONE COULD open their eyes too?

You appear to be a perfectly decent person, but why do I get the feeling that you think that Obama LIED here (when he most obviously didn't) - but I would be willing to be that Bush's lies to start a war did not and have not phased you in the least? Lots of people died - but who cares? Obama supposedly LIED at a memorial. Sounds like something Rush or Beck would say.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:02 PM
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:30 PM
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12. You will eventually get it or you won't
that's the beauty of it - its entirely your choice.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:34 PM
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14. Yeah, 'faith healing' generally works like that. I know, I'm the one who isn't
'enlightened', lol. This is crazy talk and willfull ignorace, wrapped up in blind faith.
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:57 PM
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16. Who said anything about
faith healing? Perhaps you are mixing up the some of the DU postings in your mind.

The world has always been full of flat earth society people. Ever read about all those people who laughed at the ones who claimed that the earth was round? They sounded alot like you. Some things and some people never change or grow.

Please, whatever you do, don't look around at all the evidence staring you in the face and don't use that computer you are on to do any reading or research, because learning is hard and snark is sooo much easier. Plus it just makes you FEEL like you're smart.

I can see your ego demands that you poo-poo what you have no knowledge of so that you are able to feel superior and to prove how intelligent you are to yourself - compared to those of us who have actually been reading and researching universal matters for most of our lives.

But, whatever makes you happy. Certainly no one is forcing you to figure things out or to learn anything, which is how it became so easy to dumb the country down. Congratulations on giving your power away and being a willing sheeple.
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:08 PM
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11. Outstanding Post!!!!!!!!! Kick and RECOMMEND!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:38 PM
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15. Makes Palin's fail all the more stark. After seeing Obama it is clear that Sarah Palin is not ready
to be President - and NEVER will be.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:59 PM
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17. Kick,kick,kick &recommended!
:kick:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:06 PM
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18. That's truly frightening. Is this more of that Rick Warren stuff?
"Believe it or not - it is all working in perfect divine order - all that is wrong will be made right and in the end - we will be living in a 100% more harmonious world. That's where we're heading. All this negativity, violence, fear and hatred will be dispelled - and there will only be love. Obama knows that and he speaks of it - he KNOWS what is going on".

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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:53 PM
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23. Nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of religion
its science and math.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 04:56 PM
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30. Reality is messed up enough as it is without this
Reality is messed up enough as it is without this hocus pocus inspirational new age make believe, supposedly from the ancients, nonsense.

Obama knows what he speaks of? What is this alleged love EnlightenedOne that sends drones to kill innocent children? I know of no scientific or mathematical formula where war and theft of the people's money = love.
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 05:29 PM
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31. Would you mind citing some sources
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 05:42 PM by EnlightenedOne
that back up your claim that this is "new age hocus pocus". Says who? Do you have any scientific papers that will back this claim up, or is your statement just what you happen to think or believe?

Look, I said it UPTHREAD, but I have a feeling you only hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see, but I will repeat it again here:

Obama did not start these wars - Bush/Cheney did.
Obama did not completely bankrupt this country - Bush/Cheney did.
Obama did not have Guantanamo built - Bush/Cheney did. Obama has TRIED to get it closed.
Obama did not instigate torture - Bush/Cheney did.
Obama did not disappear the millions of jobs - Bush/Cheney did. And, he is trying his best to get the country back on even footing.
Obama did not sell out the country to the Military Industrial Complex, or to the Bankers or to Wall Street, or to his oil buddies - Bush/Cheney did.
Obama did not cause any of these problems - therefore, he does not deserve the blame for them.

Yea, the suffering sucks, but there were those of us who were bright enough to KNOW that the grandson of a Nazi war criminal and the son of the head of the CIA and coming from an oil family with a known criminal for a vice president who miraculously benefited financially in the multi-billions of dollars as his penance for ignoring all the warnings of 9/11 with their wars was NOT going to be good for this country. Millions stood up and screamed - but no one listened and the media barely blinked an eye - it was nothing but an orgy of greed and death. Some of us were smart enough to know Bush's "born again" bullshit was a Karl Rove advertising campaign. And they were pretty savy about it - send out messages to all the churches - convice all the people living in fear that Bush was the real deal and that God put him in the White House and not the corrupt Supreme Court.

So, now, here we are - in an ugly, freaking mess. Imagine that. Why? Because people are stupid. They've been made stupid, on purpose.

The R's knew they would never win in 2008 - so what did they care. So Obama gets the privilege to walk into this mess, take the heat, take the blantent racism, threats, blame, etc. and tries to clean up ALL these freaking messes because so many Americans are so damn dumb that they think the loss of jobs happened under him - and the HE bankrupted the country. He walked in to a trap, he was set up and was set up to fail. He's outnumbered, no doubt blackmailed and his family's lives threatened (per inside sources). He doesn't even get to call all the shots. All he can do is negotiate and try to outwit and outsmart and work with the good guys. The goal of evil is to destroy - and if these RW xtians were honest with themselves - they would have to admit that Bush destroyed everything he touched. But, to be honest would be to be made to look the fool and to realize they were fools. So they continue to listen to what they want to hear, stuff that makes them feel right and good about themselves.

The blood of these children is not on Obama. He didn't start it and he doesn't own it, even though he is man enough to claim responsibility.

IF we knew history and the history of the ancients and IF religion hadn't been employed and then contaminated and distorted our truths and if we all sought out our truth - or the truth - we'd be in alot better position. But many didn't, and many still won't. And that's okay. In a way, I'm not sure how responsible most people can be held when we have been lied to and dumbed down throughout our history. We've all been played as fools and in many ways we have been - mostly out of fear. Fear the preachers/priests were right and God would strike us down if we dared looked into something other than the sacred bible that has been edited and continually changed over our eons of time - by Kings and Queens who sought to make us their slaves. We listened and we didn't question. But there is an end to all this - we can wake up. You have a computer - most people do now - so we stand a chance at changing ourselves and changing our future - the truth is much harder to bury now, thankfully. So, its up to you. I understand your sorrow and pain, if that helps, I just now know that this is all just a game, an illusion we've set up, and its not real. And that would be way too complicated to understand. So - all I can say - is fear is the opposite of love - let go of the fear and love and trust. Or, at least try.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 05:42 PM
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33. Ok, you win. He's a saint. n/t
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:01 PM
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34. I never said the word "saint".
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 06:02 PM by EnlightenedOne
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:40 PM
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36. Its all in the 'math'! It is inevitable and assured!
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 06:41 PM by Poboy
:crazy:

Hocus pocus new agey mumbo-jumbo garbage is 'science', lmao
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:51 PM
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37. What are you so afraid of?
Your post is supposed to resonate mocking, I get it, but its already been determined that Christina had no scientific papers or research to back up her "hocus pocus new agey" assertion, and I'm thinking you probably don't either - so, either look into it or let it go. Like I said - no one is forcing you into believing or not believing anything you don't feel comfortable with.

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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:54 PM
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24. I know...frighteningly superstitious nonsense!
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 03:12 PM
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28. Okay
math and science is superstition. Yea, of course it is.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:52 PM
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39. I'm with you.
How many people have died in the wars Obama should have ended?

How many inspiring speeches did he make for them?

What about those who will have to pay for health insurance (by law!) but won't have enough for the co-pays?

How many people will eat cat food?

He's given lots of good speeches ... and then he goes right back to doing Bush's work.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 07:17 PM
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44. I'm simply flabbergasted that it's supposedly Bush's fault that Obama is continuing
Bush's same terrible policies and wars. Thanks FGM.
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BlackHoleSon Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:58 PM
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25. I would love to believe as you do
Giving the most important positions in his administration directly to Wall Street doesn't inspire the same confidence for me.
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 03:11 PM
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27. I hear you
I think its all a part of playing the game.

I haven't forgotten though that Obama signed an Executive Order in December of 2009 allowing INTERPOL complete access to and to be housed in the United States Justice Department. Obviously, the system is corrupt from top to bottom. I expect the house of cards to all come tumbling down, eventually, which must happen.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 03:02 PM
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26. 33 checking in.....beautiful post 4.5 Stars...3d chess?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 03:14 PM
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29. "we will be living in a 100% more harmonious world." I wish I could share that feeling
I agree with you about Obama's speech - you just can't fake that

However, I worry things wont get better - because they just don't. We didn't become a better country after JFK MLK or RFK were assassinated. We didn't become better after 9/11. We will just continue seething into oblivion. Fear, and loathing, describe the American soul.
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 05:30 PM
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32. You're making unsupported assertions about inevitability.
They're just as much a faith as any other. I sometimes think such "certainty" about the supposedly negative nature of human beings is just some sort of secularized "original sin". Even all Christians don't believe that.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:52 PM
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38. I just look at how people act, have acted and continue to act
And I see a pattern

that's all

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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:10 PM
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46. But you're selecting the negative.
The positive is overwhelming, but so commonplace that we discount it. We find negative behavior noteworthy because it's unusual.

You build a road, and it has a dangerous curve. It's worth noting to others that they should watch out for that when they travel on it, but that isn't evidence that building roads is a net negative. It's a false inference.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:14 PM
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47. I am cautiously optimistic that the economy is improving slowly
But its pretty much tread water at this point in life
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:06 PM
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35. Because we are purposefully inundated with the negative,
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 06:15 PM by EnlightenedOne
and the dark. But, if you look (and what I choose to focus on mostly) is the good.

Just today - the pilot story (posted here), the little boy who asked that his brother be saved first (also posted here), the people who rushed in to save people they barely knew in Tuscon, Gabby Gilfords beat the odds and is alive, nurses, doctors who save lives every day - babies who are born every day - people in love, getting married, try to think more on love - and then you get more love and then your family and friends get more love and so it goes on and on. There is alot of beautiful still and even though.

TURN OFF THE NEWS & NEVER WATCH FOX.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:53 PM
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40. Perhaps, but there is a permanent reactionary core in America
And it tends to lash out when its not placated
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:55 PM
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41. Bush was never elected in 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court selected him.
Thanks for the thread, EnlightenedOne.
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 07:03 PM
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42. Dammit!
Did I say "elected" - I HATE when I make that mistake. I don't post much anymore these days - apparently I'm out of practice, I never used to make that mistake - thanks for the reminder Uncle Joe.

And the song from Petticoat Junction just started playing in my head.

Well - this is all the fun I can have today - I must go.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 07:22 PM
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45. Well here are a couple
more Uncle Joe songs to help get that one out of your head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmf2jiyYKqQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXKBUK94cC0

Peace to you, :hi:
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 07:15 PM
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43. He looked completely drained when it was over.
This has affected him deeply and personally.
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