Obama's approval rating among liberal Democrats for September 5th-11th is 80%.

[LoZoccolo]

[Skittles]

1. absolute bullshit

[TheWraith]

9. Right, because your personal beliefs are more accurate than scientific polling. nt

[frylock]

19. what scientific methods were utilized to determine their liberalness?

[tsuki]

23. Good question. And one that is relevent to any "liberal" poll. Polls

are increasingly under question for their lack of sample, leading questions and bias. One can no longer assume that they are measures of statistical probability.

[frylock]

24. i'm a liberal and and an astronaut..

you can just ask my wife, morgan fairchild.

[SidDithers]

31. Yeah, that's the ticket...nt

Sid

[TheWraith]

48. That's the ticket, apply a purity test.

Because if they were REAL liberals, they couldn't possibly approve of Obama. Much easier to believe that than to acknowledge that you're simply wrong, and the vast majority of liberal Democrats really do support the President. The "no true Scotsman" fallacy adopted for Democratic politics.

[frylock]

50. you're the one making the claim regarding "liberal" democrats..

i'd like to know what criteria are used to make that determination.

[TheWraith]

53. Self-determination, i.e. saying "I am a liberal Democrat." nt

[frylock]

54. saying i am a panda bear doesn't make it so

[TheWraith]

56. So in other words, you want to implement a purity test. No true Scotsman would approve of Obama.

You are going through an amazing set of mental contortions to avoid accepting the fact that most liberal Democrats support the President.

[woo me with science]

64. You are right! The purity tests are too hard!

The purity tests are too hard! They are unfair! Who says a liberal Democrat should not expand the wars! Who says they cannot be for cuts in Social Security and Medicare?! And if they like rich people, they can give them tax cuts if they feel like it! It is a free country after all! It is not FAIR if Republicans can support more surveillance of American citizens without a warrant, but liberal Democrats shouldn't! And liberal Democrats SHOULD defend corrupt banks if they want to!

I am with you! Liberal Democrats should not be held to PURITY TESTS!

STOP the purity tests NOW! :patriot:

Also, I think you are not going far enough. Why do they have to have a (D) after their name?! That is just a PURITY TEST! It is UNFAIR! They should be able to have anything they want! Even a (P) or an (X) or a (Q)!

Or maybe even an (R)!!!!!

:yourock: :woohoo: :patriot:

[frylock]

69. well played

[frylock]

68. fuck this shit..

YOU WIN!! tell him what he's won! you've won a lifetime supply of shit policy, supplied by your new "liberal" democratic administration.

[Rex]

65. Well without any kind of link to verify the claim

I would have to agree with Skittles. Making shit up...the American way! :rofl:

[CreekDog]

2. I don't recall hating him nor disapproving

being frustrated at his restraint is another matter.

[spanone]

3. k&r....

recommended to zero....i'm switching to democratic undergr.......nevermind

[Wait Wut]

40. /sigh

:cry:

You would think...

[sufrommich]

4. Yes it is. Just looked it up. nt

[Bluebear]

5. Phew so it won't be our fault if he loses

[SidDithers]

6. K&R. Seems some don't like the truth, though...nt

Sid

[Number23]

39. Their tears are like the sweetest nectar, though.

and more hilarious than any Eddie Murphy skit. :)

By the way, what happened to the photo in your sig line?

[SidDithers]

45. Sid Dithers - Union Spokesman. That was for Labour Day...

gotta dig up something else now :)

Sid

[Number23]

47. What about Sid Dithers, Gallup Pollster?

GD will love you even more. :rofl:

[MadHound]

7. Yep, and falling from previous numbers

Just as his approval among all liberals is falling. Down to 71% now. Drip, drip, drip.

[TheWraith]

11. Still desperately trying to deny reality, I see, despite that number being rock-solid for months.

Check the Gallup history, you'll find that it's been in the 80 to 86 range for months, and months, and months.

Oh, and his approval among "all liberals" (a rather questionable description when you start including people who aren't Democrats but claim to be liberals) is ticking UP, not down.

[sufrommich]

8. He actually has a higher rating among liberal democrats

than he does moderate (73%) or conservative (68%) democrats.

[WillyT]

10. Santa Claus' Approval Rating Among "The Nice", Year Round, Nearly 100%

Ho, Ho, Ho...

:evilgrin:

[DJ13]

12. Is it a poll of "likeability", or "job performance"?

[TheWraith]

57. Job approval. nt

[WillyT]

13. Poll: 70% Believe Saddam, 9-11 Link (2003) - USAToday

Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link
Posted 9/6/2003 8:10 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country.

Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. A majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it's likely Saddam was involved.

The belief in the connection persists even though there has been no proof of a link between the two.

President Bush and members of his administration suggested a link between the two in the months before the war in Iraq. Claims of possible links have never been proven, however.

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

:shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

17. You're back.

[LoZoccolo]

18. The 30% must be conservative and moderate Democrats.

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

28. I was taking his implication to an absurd conclusion.

[Wait Wut]

41. No comment to WillyT's attempt to derail the thread?

But, you have a problem with LoZo replying to that comment?

You gave me a headache.

[TheWraith]

58. If you're attacking the Democratic President rather than the Republicans...

...then you are not my ally. An ally doesn't shoot their own side because they think things should be better, they work to make things better.

[woo me with science]

62. You have just illustrated the problem people have with corporate, Third Way Democrats.

Like all corporate sellers, corporate Democrats are interested first and foremost in making a profit.

So over time they cheapen the quality and reduce the quantity of what is in the box, focusing instead on slick advertising of the brand name and hoping that loyal customers will not notice that the contents have changed.

This is why the appeals to voters by Third Wayers so often stress loyalty to party and the (D) after the name, rather than loyalty to Democratic values and principles.

[City Lights]

14. That's fantastic! eom

[Number23]

38. It sure is!

:thumbsup:
Hamsher and her buddies are surely displeased. Though I'm sure they'll continue to cash their checks through their tears.

[rug]

15. A sneeze travels out of your mouth at over 100 mph.

[frylock]

20. a sneeze traveling at 100 mph leaves a station in chicago...

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

21. Link? n/t

[Pab Sungenis]

22. And that 20% that's abandoned him

can make all the difference in a close election.

[CakeGrrl]

26. Well, if they think the contender is the better choice, then

we'll all suffer for their poor decision. Simple.

[Pab Sungenis]

29. Some of us are more concerned about who's President now

than who will be President 16 months from now. Try to minimize the damage done prior to the election.

[Mr Deltoid]

52. 'Lesser of two evils' is a bad selling point

People will not be excited to vote for that. Elections are won on enthusiasm.

[Inuca]

32. Funny, really

we all look back fondly to these golden times when his approval was 100% :rofl:

[Wait Wut]

44. I remember those days!

Remember when all of those Hillary supporters flocked to Sen. Obama's side to support him throughout the election!!! :rofl:

[TheWraith]

60. So what, you're now rooting for him to lose?

Cheering over the prospect of an election close enough that the tantrum brigade of the left can throw it the Republican's way? What the fuck is that?

But no, your interpretation is wrong, anyway. In December 2008, right after the election, Obama had a 77% approval rating with liberals. Even if you take the lower "all liberals" number offered by Gallup, that's 71%. So it has MAYBE dropped six percent in the last three years.

[neverforget]

27. Too bad those "Independents" that he's courting thought as highly of

him

[TBF]

30. Link for that poll? Does it include methodology to show how many

folks in this country declare themselves to be "liberal democrats"?

[LWolf]

33. That centrist, corporate, dlc, 3rd way, "new" Democrats

identify themselves as "liberal" is ludicrous.

It certainly helps their propaganda effort, though.

[NorthCarolina]

34. +1 nt

[TheKentuckian]

36. Yup, they've been re-branding for since the Inauguration.

"Pragmatic Progressive" and "I'm as far left as they come but..." it doesn't have any impact on their policy positions I support and all this inane shit.

[LWolf]

46. We've certainly been bombarded with those terms and phrases, haven't we? nt

[ibegurpard]

55. there we go

just the response I was looking for!

[NorthCarolina]

35. Pathetically funny. nt

[girl gone mad]

37. Not even remotely believable. n/t

[dionysus]

42. meanwhile, Oasis dissapproval rating stands at 95%

[malaise]

43. You'd never know that from posts on DU

:hi:

[Mr Deltoid]

49. Or from Obama's actions

[Mr Deltoid]

51. Nero fiddles while Rome burns

nt

[William769]

59. Not in the NY 9th!

[WI_DEM]

70. NY 9th is far from a liberal democratic district.

[0rganism]

61. Great! Now let's get them all registered to vote, complete with voter IDs

I shit you not, voter suppression is our #1 problem going into 2012 -- not whether Obama is liberal enough, not dissent on DU.

The primaries have just begun, the general election campaign hasn't even started yet (ooh, just wait for that fat turd to hit the fan), but one thing is already for-certain 100% certifiably true: it'll be a fair bit harder to vote in Wisconsin in 2012 than it was in 2008. We need a serious boots-on-the-ground activist movement just to carpool urban Democratic voters to under-loaded suburban DMVs with their necessary papers just to get the photo ID they'll need to get access to a ballot next November. If we don't start doing this RSN, that 80% number might as well be a wart on your ass.

[Safetykitten]

63. Is that super liberal or liberal-liberal, or maybe comfortably employed liberal...

or that hard to pin down Reagan Democrat liberal?

Who are these "liberal" Democrats you speak of? Because the gang of "liberal" Democrats I hang with are appalled with Obama.

[Rex]

66. I like cheese.

[DireStrike]

67. Wow, who are these people? WHERE are they, besides on DU?

[WI_DEM]

71. While I believe what you posted, it's always a good idea to put a link with the poll

to back it up.

[Scurrilous]

72. Kick

:kick: