Which of these is more dangerous?

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1ElGf9J6UJc/SQ8biEgZckI/AAAAAAAAAk8/1tTAvOlsRfI/s320/kinder+egg.jpg

or

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_abaJ0xbRju4/SlnV1avK66I/AAAAAAAABd8/XjSn59cxmZQ/s400/Glock+22,+40+Caliber,+40+Round+Magazine.jpg

If you ask the law clearly the kinder egg is far more dangerous since you can't legally buy the kinder egg anywhere in the 50 states. But the 30 round pistol clip? Perfectly legal with no background check of any kind required.

You gotta love this country.

[FourScore]

1. Clearly the kinder egg lobby is disorganized and underfunded. n/t

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2. Legalize it! I love kinder eggs

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3. If they ban Kinder eggs...

what am I going to shoot at next time I go to the range with my Glock?

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5. They already banned Kinder eggs, any candy with toys in them have been banned since 1938

nice to know our country has its priorities in order.

[klook]

4. Apparently it's illegal in the U.S. to sell

an edible object inside an inedible object. So why are White Castle burgers legal? :shrug:

Also, according to movies and comics I've seen, hot lead is edible, while pistols are not. So why are handguns legal in that case?

[slackmaster]

6. Apples to oranges. That egg is specifically designed to appeal to and be consumed by children.

The pistol is a WEAPON, neither designed nor intended to be used by a child.

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7. Which is more dangerous to a child?

[slackmaster]

10. When handled properly, neither presents any danger to a child.

I wouldn't allow a small child to eat that egg without supervision, and I'd never allow any unqualified person to handle the weapon.

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12. I actually agree with you. Yet one is legal while the other one isn't.

[spin]

8. If you want to waste your time and effort trying to ban extended magazines ...

go for it.

If a law is passed it will be a "feel good" law and accomplish nothing.

If a little practice a person can swap out magazines in two seconds and with a lot more practice in under one second. The Virginia Tech shooter had plenty of magazines and reloaded many times.

In my opinion, you could better spend your time trying to do something that might just help stop a potential massacre.

For example you could make sure your state is sending records of people who should be prohibited from buying firearms to the NICS database. That way if they enter a gun store they will fail the background check and be unable to purchase a weapon.

If you are interested you can read what the Brady Campaign has to say on this issue at:
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/backgroundchecks/nics

Note: I'm a pro-RKBA shooter with a concealed weapons permit and normally have an intense dislike of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. On this issue I agree with them.

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9. You don't find it a little ironic that as an adult I can legally purchase a 30 round clip

...not uqestions asked. But it is illegal for me to purchase a kinder egg?

You can point to all the examples you want. But the latest example last Saturday shows that if 30 rounds clips were not legal far less people would be dead or injured right now.

I like my guns too, I love shooting. But never did I think to myself that geez, reloading my pistol every 10 rounds instead of every 30 rounds is such a giant pain in the ass when Im at the range. Im perfectly content with reloading every 10 rounds.

[slackmaster]

11. The magazine is inert and harmless by itself. It's useless without the gun.

And you have to get a background check to buy the gun.

Im perfectly content with reloading every 10 rounds.

You may feel differently after the Zombie invasion begins.

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13. Again, what do you need a 30 round clip for?

Is reloading every 10 rounds a total pain in the ass for you?

And for the upcoming zombie invasion that's what I bought my AR-15 for. Also has a 30 round clip but it's just a tad bit harder to conceal.

[slackmaster]

15. I personally have no need for one, although I do own one of those extended Glock magazines.

I bought it because it's bizarre, not very common, and likely to increase in value over time.

I use 30-round magazines when I shoot AR-15 rifles and the M1 Carbine, because they are convenient.

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16. Same here, but again, what harm would banning 30 round clips do?

we have a clear example of where such a ban would have saved lives.

[slackmaster]

29. I think it's dangerous to assume that a ban on large magazines would have made any difference

In the absence of large magazines, would the shooter simply have armed himself differently?

I see the primary root cause of this tragic event as a severely disturbed individual who was not compelled to get help.

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34. Armed himself differently in what way? By carrying more guns?

That's fair enough, but swapping guns isn't exactly something that is instant, far less instant than not having to do anything.

[NickB79]

40. It would give ammunition to the "gubmit wants to ban our guns" crowd

And we would lose more elections just like we did in 1994 after the AWB vote.

And we can't make the assumption that banning high-cap magazines would have saved lives in this situation. There have been reports that the magazine's spring broke, forcing a jam of the shooter's gun and giving people time to tackle him. Broken springs are far more likely with high-cap. mags than 10-rd ones; if the report about the broken spring is correct the use of a high-capacity magazine might have prevented more deaths compared to using multiple, smaller magazines.

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42. Since when do you think we should make decisions that could save lives based on politics?

the right wing nut jobs will continue to believe what they believe no matter what actions you take.

I heard those reports about the spring too, but they are unconfirmed. And for a spring in a clip to break like that it's a very rare occurance and you can't count on it saving your ass every time.

[AndyTiedye]

43. I Don't Think Bullets Work on Zombies

Missile weapons generally go right through them.
Penetrating vital organs doesn't do any good
because zombies are, by definition, already dead.

You pretty much have to dismember zombies with a sword or something.

I think dismantling shot might work on a large zombie invasion,
but you need a cannon for that.

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44. a shot to the head works on zombies

it's a simple fact.

[AndyTiedye]

46. Why Would That Work?

It's not as though the brain in a zombie is doing anything.

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47. Sure it is, the brain is controlling the motor functions.

[AndyTiedye]

50. There Have Been Reports…

…of zombies who if you cut their head clean off, they just plop it back on and keep coming.

And skeletons… Some of them take their own heads off and throw 'em at ya.
Doesn't matter to them, there's nothing inside there.

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51. Oh come on, now that's just silly

[slackmaster]

45. Sure they do. You have to shoot them in the head.

I'm all for heavy artillery, but an ordinary rifle or shotgun will serve just fine if that's what you have.

[AndyTiedye]

52. There is Another Way to Defeat a Zombie Attack

Really loud music, particularly something with a good, thumping bass line will
override whoever is controlling the zombies and they all just start dancing.

This technique was demonstrated in a Michael Jackson video some time back.

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14. The shooter could have carried more than one firearm ...

or had access to numerous magazines as Cho did in the Virginia Tech massacre. So no, I can't believe that the 30 round magazine caused more deaths than if the shooter had standard magazines and must swapped them out.

In fact the extended magazine might be the reason the shooter didn't kill or injure more people.

But what at least two local gun dealers have seen is an interest in larger magazines.

That's what the Arizona shooter was using, which allowed him to get more shots off, but also may have been responsible for the gun jamming and therefore stopping the carnage at six dead and 14 wounded.

"It possibly could be the magazine. Just from what we're told, he was using the high-capacity 30-round, 31-round magazine and they are known to jam," Yuszka said.
http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/jan/12/glock-sales-unchanged-columbus-after-shooting-ar-360121/

But if it makes you feel good to try to ban hi-cap magazines, who am I to criticize. Knock yourself out.

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17. Well you are criticizing

in this case he didn't carry multiple guns. he carried one. If the max clip size was 10 rounds he would have to carry 3 guns to fire off as many shots. Guns are not cheap, you don't know if he would have had the resources to have that many guns not to mention how much harder it would have been to carry that many guns.

What harm does it do to ban these extended mags?

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20. You can do whatever you want. If you want to do something that will make no real difference ...

that's your choice. If it makes you feel good, go for it.

That way when the next person who has severe mental problems shoots a large number of people with a firearm he legally bought at a gun store, you can focus on the type of gun (semi-automatic) and try to ban it.

For what is is worth, I own what many would consider a large number of handguns but none use hi-cap magazines nor do I own any extended magazines.

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24. Except in this case we have a clear example where it would have saved lives

but keep denying reality, if it makes you feel good, go for it.

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26. I don't see any such clear example ...

as I have explained he could have done as much or more damage using standard magazines or if he had two or more firearms.

That's the reality of the situation.

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27. Where would those other 2 guns be stashed?

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32. Simple, stuck inside your waistband...

Easy to carry three handguns, one strong side, one on your offhand side (cross draw) and one in the small of your back. You can easily carry more than 3 handguns if you want.

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33. And how much faster do you think it would be to draw those 3 guns than having to reload 3 times?

1 second, 2 second, what do you think?

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37. I would say not much difference in time ...

an experience person could swap out a magazine faster but the time difference might only be a second. A lot depends on the person and the skill he has acquired through practice.

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38. I agree with you. So we are in agreement, much faster to fire off 30 shots from a 30 rnd clip

than having to swap guns 3 times?

If we agree with that you don't think it's possible that some deaths or injuries would have not happened if he didn't have access to this 30 round clip?

[X_Digger]

21. He bought two guns on Nov 30. He had another, didn't bring it. n/t

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25. Didnt know that, thanks. But my point still stands.

[Broderick]

18. I heard that on the radio from a gun nut

The extended clip is much more cumbersome to change out, and had he had regular clips it could be done much faster. It may have saved lives had he not had to take time to swap the large clip out. I don't have one so I can't personally validate that.

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19. In what way is it harder to swap out a 30 round clip than it is to swap out the 10 round?

[Broderick]

22. Have no clue

He said it takes extra time to swap out and it probably gave time to the hero's to overpower him. shrug. I don't know personally.

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23. I think it's bullshit. I just dont see how.

[Broderick]

28. Maybe very well be

I can tell you one thing. I am not going out to buy one and test it.

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30. Watch this video on changing magazines ...

it will show how fast a shooter with some practice can swap a magazine. (I've seen faster.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ANOABDVvYs&feature=related

An extended magazine would be, in my opinion, more awkward to handle and therefore slower.

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31. Maybe in professional situations your are right. This guy was not a pro

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35. No he wasn't a "pro". What's your point...

The Virginia Tech shooter wasn't a pro either. He had multiple firearms and reloaded.

The Virginia Tech massacre was a school shooting that took place on Monday, April 16, 2007 on the campus of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia. In two separate attacks, approximately two hours apart, the perpetrator, Seung-Hui Cho, killed 32 people and wounded many others<1> before committing suicide. The massacre is the deadliest peacetime shooting incident by a single gunman in United States history, on or off a school campus.<2>

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The massacre prompted the state of Virginia to close legal loopholes that had previously allowed Cho, an individual adjudicated as mentally unsound, to purchase handguns without detection by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). It also led to passage of the first major federal gun control measure in more than 13 years. The law strengthening the NICS was signed by President George W. Bush on January 5, 2008.<10>

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Cho used two firearms during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun. <11> The shootings occurred in separate incidents, with the first at West Ambler Johnston Hall, during which Cho killed two pupils, and the second at Norris Hall, where the other 31 deaths, including that of Cho himself, as well as all the nonlethal injuries, occurred.

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Approximately 10–12 minutes after the second attack began, Cho shot himself in the head.<36> During this second assault, he had fired at least 174 rounds,<20> killing 30 people and wounding 17 more.<1><36> During the investigation, State Police Superintendent William Flaherty told a state panel that police found 203 live rounds in Norris Hall. "He was well prepared to continue...," Flaherty testified.<37>

During the two attacks, Cho killed five faculty members and 27 students before committing suicide.<38> The Virginia Tech review panel reported that Cho's gunshots wounded 17 other people; six more were injured when they jumped from second-story windows to escape.<1> Sydney J. Vail, the director of the trauma center at Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital, said that Cho's choice of 9 mm hollow point ammunition increased the severity of the injuries.<39> Conversely, due to the limited penetration depth of hollow point bullets, it is likely that Colman would have died had they not been used.<40>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

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36. My point that in this case the fact it was a 30 round clip instead of a 10 round clip

made absolutely no difference in the reloading time. If this guy was a pro and affected by this he wouldn't have been stopped because he needed to reload.

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39. Define "pro".

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41. I dont know, someone that doesn't get tackled because they had to reload?

[benEzra]

48. A magazine is kind of useless without a pistol...

and to buy a pistol, you have to be 21, have a clean record, and be mentally competent.

The "mentally competent" part is probably the key here; as with Patrick Purdy or the Virginia Tech shooter, it appears that the Arizona shooter slipped through the cracks of the mental health net and was never flagged as a danger.

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49. And a pistol is pretty useless without a magazine unless you just want to fire one shot at a time

what's your point?

Do you need a 30 round clip for your pistol to work?

[benEzra]

53. To quote the original post:

To quote the original post:

Which of these is more dangerous?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1ElGf9J6UJc/SQ8biEgZckI/AAAAAAAAAk8/1tTAvOlsRfI/s320/kinder+egg.jpg

or

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_abaJ0xbRju4/SlnV1avK66I/AAAAAAAABd8/XjSn59cxmZQ/s400/Glock+22,+40+Caliber,+40+Round+Magazine.jpg

If you ask the law clearly the kinder egg is far more dangerous since you can't legally buy the kinder egg anywhere in the 50 states. But the 30 round pistol clip? Perfectly legal with no background check of any kind required.

You gotta love this country.

You didn't post a pic of a magazine, you posted a pic of a weapon, which I thought was a bit disingenuous. You do have to pass a background check to buy your second photo; you also have to be 21, have a clean record, not have been adjudicated mentally incompetent, and not be subject to a restraining order; if you are in violation of the above, you're looking at major Federal felonies. That was my point.

And a psycho with a pistol and two 15-round magazines (or a dozen) is equally as dangerous as a psycho with a 30-round magazine. The Virginia Tech shooter, who used standard-capacity magazines rather than extended magazines, demonstrated that.

Here's what a competent reload looks like, with any pistol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJXNPo5krvw

If you do it right, the new magazine is seated before the empty hits the ground. That's why magazine capacity is less relevant for an aggressor than it is for a defender, generally speaking.

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55. And even if you are 21, you pass a background check, and are mentally stable

you still can't buy a Kinder egg.

The point of the picture was to illustrate the extended clip inside of a gun.

You can post all the crap you want about professional reloading times, but in this case if the guy didn't have access to a 30 round clip far less people would have died. If you disagree with this see the same argument you are about to make above which I already responded to.

[Lucian]

54. I had no idea what Kinder Eggs were.

I had to google them. I think banning Kinder Eggs was the single most dumbest thing our government has ever done in the history of our government. So a chocolate egg has a toy inside. Big deal. Ban it? Geez. :eyes:

But I agree with everything you have said in your OP.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Oh com'om this is not a chocking hazard!

On a serious note, the ammo box has warnings due to LEAD content.