What a bunch of BS

[maxrandb]

I am so sick of all the people that say; "well, Obama didn't do this", or "Obama didn't do that", or "he's not who we think he is", or "he's weak", or any of that other crap that spews all over the pages of "DEMOCRATIC" Underground, like cyber puke. You want to hear that kind of crap, you can find all you want on AM radio every stinking day.

The truth is that we have only ourselves to blame. We voted in 2008 and thought, "Oh well, time to go back to Survivor, or ignoring my kids again". The wingnuts didn't do that. They scraped together the ashes of the ass-whooping they got, found big money to back them, and screamed like banshees until they were heard. How did we respond to that? We stayed the "eff" home and turned the reigns of power in the House and a vast majority of State Legislatures over to the "effing" angry mob.

Now, we are paying the price.

I saw a bunch of hang-wrigging on here about the potential that the "super majority" Republicans in PA were going to change the Electoral Process to award their Electoral Votes via apportionment. Well, what the "eff" did we expect them to do with a GD Super Majority. We allowed the ass-hats to take complete control of Wisconsin, and then are outraged when they use that power to crush their political enemies.

Did we shut-down the local radio stations that poison our Public Airways with rightwing hate and vitriol? NO!

Did we strike all across this country, demanding protection of rights? NO!

Did we shut this country down until the needs of the Middle Class and poor were addressed with the same vigor that the needs of the wealthy are addressed? NO!

Did we march on Washington, or are we waiting for our own "Glenn Beck" to come forth and lead us? NO! and guess what..."our" Glenn Beck ain't coming unless we create him.

Did we get in the faces of the Repukes until the media couldn't ignore it anymore? NO!

We didn't do any of that, but you know what a lot of us did?...WE BLAMED PRESIDENT OBAMA!

If you're waiting for a leader, then YOU AREN'T ONE YOURSELF. It's time we got to work, and I'm going to do what I can to ensure the politicians know that they need to get their heads out of their asses and work for us.

[patrice]

1. I LIKE this, " If you're waiting for a leader, then YOU AREN'T ONE YOURSELF" & maybe, just maybe tha

t has something really significant to do with how we got into this situation in the first place.

[LonePirate]

5. So elections are meaningless since we're all leaders and we never voted for Obama to lead the USA?

[maxrandb]

10. Yes

Elections are damn meaningless if we all just go home when it's over and say; "well, I guess that's it...now we'll have Nirvana".

I guess the Union soldiers should have said; "well, we beat 'em at Gettysburg, guess we'll all go home now", instead of fighting to save the Union for an additional 3 years.

I'll tell you what, the wingnuts sure didn't "accept" their defeat in 2008 and crawl home, but "we" certainly accepted "our" victory, didn't we?

[patrice]

15. The wingnuts also have the churches & media to maintain their focus, so they're not doing it entirel

y by themselves.

We need to create advantages that are parallel to theirs.

[patrice]

22. False dichotomies are rhetorical tools cultivated by the oppressor. They are built on faulty

logic that amounts to "It's either this _______________ or it's that __________________" when, in reality, people are combinations of things. Stuff is not either meaningful or meaningless, but degrees of both, ratios that depend upon what perspective you take.

And your use of the word "lead" assumes a lot of stuff about what that means that is not necessarily shared.

There are ALL kinds of ways to lead.

You may have been looking for daddy. I was looking for an effective collaborator to fulfill certain kinds of responsibilities that complement my own responsibilities.

Obama was my third choice, so I listened to him carefully during '08 and I can definitely say he has not been that different from what I expected.

Our situation has also been quite a bit worse than most people admit, but most of his detractors want to pretend that he could do stuff about all of that (e.g. calculate the accurate $$$-size, composition, and ownership of what was lost in the Derivative Crash of '08 - PRIVATE BUSINESS INFORMATION EVERY BIT OF IT - in order to construct the most effective and likely successful response) that is not in the power of any President to do.

[patrice]

26. And as far as the wars are concerned, I knew the position I was looking for in '08 & when I didn't

see that in Obama, I didn't say to myself "Oh, he agrees with me; he just doesn't know he should say so, or he doesn't know how to say he does, or, . . . or, . . . . " I knew then whatever he did, it wasn't going to be very consistent with my own position.

The guy who had a position identical to mine was Bill Richardson and he didn't make it past the second primary, so I knew THEN where the anti-War position was going to be in January '09.

[msongs]

2. it's DEMOCRATIC underground, not Obama underground. he is just one....democrat lol nt

[treestar]

4. Missed the OP's point

[trueblue2007]

24. U CAN'T READ?

[treestar]

57. I can type, which implies I can read

It does not have to be "Obama Underground" for us to realize that we need to be rational about politics, and not consider it to be just about us individually - it is about us as a group. And all of us as many groups.

[Solomon]

3. K&R

Put your flack suit on.

[SidDithers]

6. K&R...nt

Sid

[ibegurpard]

7. apparently you've been COMPLETELY deaf to the opposition

to everything you're whining about.
As for "super majorities"...we had one too. We got a former Republican health plan with it.

[defendandprotect]

8. You want Dems to take more Koch Bros. $$$$$$$$$$ ????

Cause that's what the T-baggers are all about --

and that's what the DLC is about --

and probably The Third Way which is running the party now -- !!


Did Dems call anyone out to rally for MEDICARE4ALL ?

Or don't you see the need for universal health care?


Did Dems call anyone out to rally against the WARS -- ??

Or don't you realize how they serve the RW MIC and are bankrupting our Treasury?

Or doesn't the immorality and illegality of these wars bother you -- ??


Has Obama moved to begin to apply the standards and regulatiosn of the Fairness in

Broadcasting Act?

Anyone in the Obama administration moving to use the ANTI-TRUST LAWS against these

corporations controlling our media?


Did the Unions TRUST Obama -- until very recently?

How many Marches on Washington did you miss?

And as I recall, the allegedly liberal Jon Stewart led a march on Washington and then

accused liberals of being as much to blame as the RW!!!

Do we want to become as aggressive and near-violent as the t-baggers?

The criticism of Obama is well earned --

From his back room deals with Big Pharma and the H/C industry to his budget dealings

with the GOP which evidently shut out even Harry Reid who was begging for some info!

From the extention of tax cuts to the rich to the insanity of increasing oil drilling

everywhere - while also pushing a new generation of nuclear reactors of US!!


Obama is taking America on a very suicidal path -- !!


We need a challenger for the presidency in 2012 -- frightening to think of another 4 years

of this!!


Wake up -- the masks are off and Obama is over -- !!

[maxrandb]

16. Right

It's much less "frightening" to think of America with a President Perry and a Republican House, Senate and Conservative Supreme Court. How much damage could they do in 4 years?

I'm sorry Obama didn't get you a pony.

[Dragonfli]

32. Well for one thing when a "Democratic" POTUS supports RW ideas, there is little opposition from the

party establishment.

When a Republican POTUS supports RW ideas, he at least faces Democratic opposition.

It will take a Democrat to weaken and underfund SS and Medicare/Medicaid, No Republican (even Bush who tried) will ever have much if any success with such legislation.

Didn't think about that did you.

Only a Faux Democrat can get away with destroying "entitlements", Republicans would face a Democratic filibuster if they tried it, the faux Democrats and other Republicans know this.

[defendandprotect]

52. Let's concentrate on a Pres. Bernie Sanders -- !! Meanwhile, RW doesn't need

anyone's vote to deliver a Pres. Perry -- I'm sure you recall how they

got W. Bush into the White House?

Obama not only didn't get anyone your "pony" -- he betrayed citizens on

universal health care -- for one.

Multitude of betrayals since then --


How are the supply of "magic wands" and "chess games" coming along -- ?

:rofl: --

[LondonReign2]

62. No, he didn't get us a pony

Of course, that's not what we were asking for. But you knew that already of course.

He did, however, get us more war, more Patriot Act, more renditions, more tax cuts for the wealthy, more warmed-over Republican ideas, and more Democratic ideals bargained away. And that's not what we were asking for either.

Blaming the voters when the leader they voted for immediately captiulates is pretty stupid. But you knew that already of course.

[quinnox]

9. Unrec for attempting to blame Obama's failures on the people

Obama owns those failures, and his inability to get things done and dogged determinism to avoid pleasing the liberal side of the Democratic party is all his fault.

[sabrina 1]

47. Exactly, It's getting old, this blaming of the voters.

People who refuse to see the problem can't fix it.

[defendandprotect]

53. Notice the "pony" ... "chess game" and "Magic wands" are still flying high -- !!

Unbelievable -- but there's only one record playing -- "President Perry" -- !!

Notice also, they don't want liberals around, but they still want to use FEAR to

convince us to vote for Obama -- and to pass on $$$ -- !!

[proverbialwisdom]

11. K&R.

[Fumesucker]

12. It wasn't until Fahrenheit 9/11 came out that most people learned of massive protests..

At Dubya's first inaugural.

If people protest and the M$M doesn't cover it, did it really happen?

[defendandprotect]

54. Great Question .... like the tree that falls in the forest ... impact is lost -- !!

That's pretty much the way I feel about going to DC --

been there many times -- once when we were still marching as dusk was

settling on DC the march was so huge --

We're there -- Congress and President aren't -- !!


We're begging for them to pay attention to us while they're on the phone raising

money from corporate/fascists!


We need some new stuff, imo.

[Bobbie Jo]

13. K&R

Spot on. :kick:

You WILL be mobbed, but you are absolutely right.

Meh...I voted, I did my part. Serve me already. :eyes:
:sarcasm:

[maxrandb]

19. I love that

"I voted, now serve me".

I guess that is the difference between the Democratic Party and Liberals that I grew up with, and some of the current folks who call themselves Democrats.

At one time, service to country and fellow man was so important to Democrats that the leader of the party demanded; "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Some folks seem to think, "I did my service, I voted, didn't I"?

[tblue]

39. Oy gevalt on a popsicle stick!

"Some of the current folks who call themselves Democrats" are actually undermining core Democratic party principles, such as protecting Social Security & Medicare. Blindly following a politician who fails to fight for those principles is NOT being a good Democrat. It's being a good automoton.

You want us to get active and be "leaders," but only in the ways you approve, and only if we say what you'd like us to say. That way, we'll be "leaders." Does that even make sense to you???

I do NOT mean to hurt you or belittle your feelings and your attachment to President Obama. But I don't think it's helpful for you to cuss people out here or belittle us and whatever work we may be doing. You have no idea what any of us does or doesn't do outside this website. Some of us have been writing and phoning and rallying to plead with this president to stand strong on Democratic principles because we WANT him to succeed, and to tell him we will have his back in standing strong.

But you want us quiet or at least compliant, just like who? You???

[EFerrari]

41. LMAO. Damn that free speech.

Damn expecting public servants to be public servants

What the hell is the matter with people, expecting leaders to lead or government officials to do their jobs. Don't they know that the little people should just shut up and write checks and clap on cue?

lmao.

[maxrandb]

64. That's the problem

people "did" just "Shut-up and clap".

It't like a team not drafting offensive linemen for 20 years and then bitching at the quarterback because he keeps getting sacked.

[EFerrari]

71. I'm sorry but what a bunch of BS.

:)

[Bobbie Jo]

68. Yes!

Serve me, DAMMIT. I got off my ass and voted, now do what I want, EXACTLY the way I say, or I'll raise 40 kinds of hell on a message board. After Dancing With The Stars, of course.


lmao, indeed.

[EFerrari]

72. "Serve me" is how "Do your job" sounds to authoritarian ears.

And if the little people want to watch "Dancing with the Stars", they don't need your permission.

lol

[JTFrog]

14. K&R

[EFerrari]

17. You bet I blame Obama for his own failures.

And you bet I blame the party leadership for theirs.

No, my influence isn't equal to the millionaires that run this party, no matter what I do.


So, you can take your blame and put it wherever it fits.

[aikoaiko]

18. BTW: Survivor kicked off a new season tonight.

Just sayin.... ;)

[pintobean]

20. Another one? Jeez. Can't we just have an oldtimers for Obama thread

and be done with it. Hope and change didn't happen and people are pissed. Your Bluto impersonation isn't impressive. We endured 8 years just to find out we busted our asses to get four more of the same shit. For some people, that took the wind out of their sails.

[Bobbie Jo]

30. Well...

I suppose some of us disagree with this particular point of view. To say "hope and change didn't happen and people are pissed," as if that covers it, is about as simplistic and non-productive as it gets.

For some people, this steady drumbeat is getting monotonous.

[pintobean]

34. No, it's that simple.

Unproductive? What's productive? The administration, the house and a 60 vote majority in the Senate sure as shit wasn't.
For some people, all the excuses are getting monotonous.

[Bobbie Jo]

36. Well I guess we're done here.

Virtual activism, and all that.

As long as there is disagreement, I suspect you will continue to see....Aw Jeez, "another one of these."

[maxrandb]

65. It's almost like there is a "coordinated effort" to tear this President down.

:wow:

Makes you wonder if the Koch Brother's have enough money for bloggers as well.

Folks who tear this President down from the left are no different than those on the right who pissed and moaned about Bush because he "wasn't CONservative enough", or because he didn't immeidately ban abortion and prosecute OB/GYN's, or didn't build a "Great Wall of Texas" on the border, or tried to "compromise" on Immigration Reform, or worked on a Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit.

No matter how "ass-holy-ish" CONservative he was...it wasn't enough for the "purist".

I remember Ralph Nader telling us that "there was no difference" between the two parties. Well, I just have to say...as a "Democrat"..."I think this country would be a hell of a lot different today if we had 8 years of Al Gore, vice 8 years of Bush".

For the rest of you, just keep it up. Eventually the Repukes will own you too.

Unfortunately, our NUMBER 1 GOAL, IMHO, should be to DEFEAT EVERY REPUBLICAN AT EVERY LEVEL, FROM DOG-CATCHER TO PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE.

I for one will not aide Michelle Bachman and Mitch McConnell in making President Obama a "1-term President". You folks go right ahead an offer aide and comfort to them. Me, I much prefer a Supreme Court Justice Sotomeyer(sp) and Kagen, to a Roberts, Alito, Thomas or Scalia.

The real threat to this country and our way of life is coming from those with an "R" after their name. If you want to help them win, then don't complain when they come after you and all you've worked for.

[whatchamacallit]

21. I did my part: I believed, I donated, I voted

You can lead a horse to water but...

[JanMichael]

23. It seems you can make them drink it on DU. nt.

[girl gone mad]

25. Wow. All this time I thought the idea of a democracy was to elect leaders who will represent you.

Now I find out it doesn't work this way.

In order to get any representation, I have to quit my job, take up full time activism, shut down radio stations, organize mass strikes, march on Washington and then shut down the entire country.

And after that, maybe, just maybe, the President will consider keeping some of his campaign promises.

Sounds reasonable.

:eyes:

[pintobean]

29. That's it, I'm reporting you

http://www.attackwatch.com/

Common sense is just unacceptable.

:hi:

[patrice]

31. Re Presidency: And what about the others who are not you? No representation?

I want Liberal policies too, but I do consider it a legitimate question that if I have a right to representation don't different others have that right too? How do we solve this conundrum?

Liberals receive a representation deficit, so it is right and just to demand increased liberal representation, but maybe one of the reasons that doesn't happen is because everyone ALWAYS plays it as a winner-take-all, all or nothing, game, so when Liberals think they are abandoned, they fulfill the failure prophecy and abandon the process, i.e. withdrawing support/influence, thus insuring a deficit in representation of the Left with a deficit in Liberal grassroots, which is self-perpetuating.

[treestar]

56. They don't represent you, they represent your district, your

state, your state senatorial district, your state assembly district, your city council district, your county council district or your entire nation.

[maxrandb]

69. Absolutely Correct IMHO

They don't just represent "you", or "your ideals". Hell, they might even represent your neighbor...and you and your neighbor might not see eye-to-eye on every issue.

Come to think of it...There are probably a lot of people who don't see "eye-to-eye" about every issue. Imagine that! People being represented by people, who are neighbors and countrymen of people that are also being represented by people in a land of over 300,000,000...and not all of them see eye-to-eye on every issue. Why...It's Amazing! Some might actually call that a "democracy".

[AverageJoe90]

79. That's how it works. n/t

[LondonReign2]

63. You said it better than I could GGM

n/t

[maxrandb]

66. Perhaps you could list the campaign promises that he broke.

Please be specific. What you "thought" you heard, doesn't count.

And YES! It takes more than "voting".

I remember the President saying that "change wouldn't be easy, and it would take all of us working together". So what did we do? We turned over power to the angry mobs.

Seems like the only ones who got the message were the Tea-baggers.

[hfojvt]

27. in order to exonerate Obama, we have to blame ourselves

gee, we let the guy down, after electing ourselves to reverse the Bush tax cuts.

Actually I think I did quite a bit myself, but if you want to blame yourself, then feel free. However, I feel like I elected him to fight on my side, and he didn't do it. It does not look to me like he even tried. In fact, now he and his supporters put a bunch of effort into fighting people like me, so he can have four more years to disappoint me.

[patrice]

33. More false dichotomies. It's about people owning their roles in what happens. Not blame. & It's

difficult in day-to-day situations (that add up to the Whole) to assess who is less ____________ who is more _______________. Those kinds of measurements of roles require tools we don't have, so laying that kind of stuff on one another is not very useful and it detracts from the tasks associated with recognizing what is going on in any role and adapting functionally to the whole dynamic as best as we can: lather, rinse, repeat.

[hfojvt]

46. It;s not blame?

to quote the OP "The truth is that we have only ourselves to blame."

That sure seems to let Captain Caveman off the hook. It's our fault, not his.

[treestar]

59. You aren't the only one

Obama does not fight for you but for the nation.

And you aren't even bothering to address lesser legislators/government elected officials. Being obsessed with the guy at the top does not work in the US system.

[hfojvt]

74. I, in this case, is me, as a member of the working poor

part of the bottom 80%. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/166 He's not fighting for my brothers, sisters, or cousins either.

Yeah, considering that I ran for Congress, and that I am a precinct person and County Treasurer involved in legislative races, I don't think I have been obsessed about the top.

But the top has the bully pulpit, the opportunity to create the messaging, and messaging of "I won't fight to end the Bush tax cuts" and "tax cuts create jobs" just do the Republicans work for them. They have been saying that for years. You simply don't fight for the nation by fighting to give tax breaks to rich people.

[treestar]

76. You may have run but did not win

Did you keep up with every action of the winner? And your other representatives?

[maxrandb]

70. See, this is why what you're doing is so "deceptive"

Let's not forget that the Repukes were holding the extension of Unemployment Benefits hostage at the time the Bush Tax Cuts were extended. Along with several other important things that this President wanted to get done, like the repeal of Don't Ask/Don't Tell.

Besides, the Tax Cuts expire at the end of 2012 anyway. Seems to me, the only way to ensure they are made permanent is to work against President Obama and help a Republican get elected.

You can scream all you want that it is Obama's fault, but the bottom line is that our system of government ensures that the minority party still holds sway in the direction of the country.

You may not like that fact when the Repukes are in the minority, but it helps ensure that we don't have one ideology running roughshod over the country.

All you are doing is helping to ensure Michelle Bachman makes President Obama a "One-Term-President".

Congratulations!

[hfojvt]

75. no, that's why what YOU are doing is so deceptive

I am not the one who wimped out on the Bush tax cuts, that was Obama. Yeah, so what they were holding unemployment benefits hostage. Obama had the trump card, because tax cuts were going to expire unless they acted. They certainly did not want that to happen.

Yeah, funny thing about one party running roughshod, is that it certainly seemed to happen back in 2001. Bush got two rounds of tax cuts, Bush got the Iraq war resolution, Bush got the Patriot Act.

Seems to me that President Bachmann is one way that the tax cuts might actually expire. Because then Democrats can fillibuster any attempt to extend them, whereas if Captain Caveman gets another term, he can just work out another deal because doubtlessly Republicans will be holding something else hostage, and once again, it will be my fault when Obama refuses to fight. If Captain Caveman had fought in December 2010 instead of taken a dive, then even if he had lost, he wouldn't have people calling him Captain Caveman.

Nothing in our system of government prevents him from fighting.

[Amonester]

28. If they're so disappointed, maybe they should start working at it for 2016.

But they won't. It's too difficult.

[patrice]

35. 2012 will affect 2016 positively or negatively, even if there were to be a win in 2016 that

win could start out waaaaaaaaaaaaay behind the curve, or not that bad, depending upon what happens in 2012.

[treestar]

55. No no no no no no no

They aren't supposed to have to work! The perfect candidate is supposed to be provided. Then they can vote for him and complain when he disappoints them. All they should have to do is vote! And if they aren't motivated to vote, well that's the candidate's problem! The candidate loses and the candidate cries! The candidate goes home all lonely and unhappy and sorry he didn't get what they want. Poor candidate!

:sarcasm:

[TheKentuckian]

37. Unrec for more of the same dishonest and lame bullshit.

Against all logic the only people with the ability to make and put into practice law are somehow devoid of all responsibility. Civic responsibility and even activism are one thing but at some point we elect these people for a purpose other than wiping their asses and dangling like little clingons.

People have been protesting all across this country, we made the calls, we drove folks to the polls, harassed our intransigent representatives and pushed the good ones, we knocked on doors, we wrote the papers, engaged in boycotts, refuted lie after lie, and talked to about everyone we come into contact with about causes and candidates.

Seriously, we have a system in place so we don't have to set torch to the local 50,000 watt radio stations and such. If it comes to that then the system is busted.

[maxrandb]

67. Nobody said they have no power

This President passed the most progressive expansion of the Health Care Safety net since Medicare...and he did it without a single Republican Vote.

This President passed a Recovery Act that saved the jobs of millions of teachers, firefighters, police-officers and countless others...helped keep the unemployed from homelessness, and made a massive expansion into Green Energy (equivalent to Kennedy's investment in the Space Program) WITHOUT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTE.

He put true Progressives and "Rule of Law" folks on the Supreme Court, instead of Corporate Cronies

etc, etc, etc

And how did we "support" him?

By allowing Tea-baggers to take control of the House and a majority of Statehouses.

[TheKentuckian]

77. We can only vote once per election. "Allow" isn't contextual.

[Zax2me]

38. Maybe there is a middle ground between fainting and failure.

Faint in his presence during campaign, failed as a President.
It's somewhere in the middle of that.
The swing goes too far both ways.

[Number23]

40. Rec'd. You said it!

[Change has come]

42. what a load of horse shit.

:hi:

[Tx4obama]

43. K&R. Well said. n/t

[pa28]

44. Is that a subject line or a disclaimer?

We, and I mean by "we" the Democratic activists who called, donated, walked and worked GOTV for years to earn a Democratic majority in 2008 expecting leadership and change.

Our system places emphasis on elections and that's where power comes from in our representative democracy. Please don't blame the people who worked hardest to give Barack Obama and congressional Democrats a mandate. They aren't the ones who failed.

[coalition_unwilling]

45. One thing's for sure. When I volunteered for and voted for Obama

in 2008, I was not voting for Robert Gates to remain as Secretary of Defense. And I was not voting for Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, nor Rahm Emmanuel as Chief of Staff.

Won't get fooled again.

[Claudia Jones]

48. the reality

There is, and has been for some time a battle within the Democratic party. It is not trivial nor is it without consequence. It will not magically go away by ignoring it or wishing it was not happening. The issues at stake are substantial and the differences between the two factions are profound and legitimate.

What you are seeing here, and having such a problem with, is not about being for or against Obama. Nor is the assumption that "we are all on the same side" and merely differ on our opinions about tactics and timing accurate.

Tens of thousands of people, including many of the people here whom you may place in the "blame Obama" category have been organizing, demonstrating, speaking and writing since the president was elected to office. We did not say "oh well, time to go back to Survivor, or ignoring my kids again." Many of us who worked so hard for so long to achieve the historic shift that happened in '06 and '08 have now been left in the position of eating our hats, as we successfully brought millions of people over to the Democratic column only to have every promise go unfulfilled - or worse, betrayed. Our biggest problem - whether it was in Detroit, Madison, Longview, North Carolina, Tacoma and everywhere else that the battle is raging - has not been opposition from tea party people, but rather lukewarm support from Democrats if not outright opposition.

The tea party seems larger and louder than we are because they get attention from the media that we cannot get.

Blaming the general public for the actions of the rulers is inherently reactionary, and no good can come from it.

[Raine]

49. "Bunch of BS" is an accurate description of your post nt

x(

[Bluebear]

50. +

[Bluebear]

51. +

[WilliamPitt]

58. Your football team sucks.

:P

[RegieRocker]

60. Be careful of the wall hard to see with blinders on.

[JVS]

61. If we were able to shut down the entire country, why would we even need to bother vote for Obama?

[Sheepshank]

73. because it's easier to get ONE signature on a bill

than 310 Million. Duh.

But we all should be handing the pen, relay style, from one to another and then on to Obama.

Rec. Your idea that people need to get involved in on the button. Apparently the armchair warriors here don't like to be reminded of that little fact lol

[AverageJoe90]

78. People need to stop unreccing this. It's the truth, like it or not!

I couldn't have put this better myself, I don't think.