Who do you want to run for president in 2016?

[eridani]

For those who want to primary Obama, fuddgedaboudit. Way too late. How do we elect someone with populist economics in 2016?

(I'm leaving Kucinich out because I don't think he'll do that again.)

[Donnachaidh]

1. Sanders/Grayson is my dream team.

Bernie has the skills and the time in -- he knows what has to be done, and how to do it. Alan Grayson can be his muscle -- his mouth that roars. And I'm sure Alan would not sit to the sidelines.

BOTH of these men are straight shooters. We need people with solid ethical and moral spines.

[polmaven]

3. So I assume

you were not among those who have said that Hillary would have been too old to run then. Bernie Sanders will be 75 years old on September 8, 2016.

[Donnachaidh]

8. I wouldn't vote for Hillary in 08, why would I vote for her now?

What this country needs is an ETHICAL, Moral progressive. a TRUE progressive, not a *progressive while I'm on the campaign trail*.

And this country does not need to have *legacy* candidates.

[polmaven]

22. That was not my point...

I'm commenting on the ,any people who have stated she would be too old to run in 2016 because she would be "pushing 70". But apparently 75 would not be too old for Bernie Sanders. My comment was CLEARLY abut age...nothing else.

[Donnachaidh]

29. I don't believe age should be an issue

It's a distraction utilized by people who don't want to really talk about the problems this country faces.

And IMO, there is a decidedly ageist attitude here on DU. To use an old quote - there may be snow on the roof, but there still can be a fire in the furnace.

:shrug:

[Ken Burch]

70. Those who raised HRC's age as an issue are a very small minority

The issue is her views and her deeds. We don't need a president who may already(based on her insistence on keeping us in Iraq and Afghanistan and her insistence on bombing Libya)be a war criminal.

If you're a militarist, you can't really be a feminist. The last war that could ever have had any positive effects for women ended in 1945. All the others have served only the patriarchy and only male values.

[PatrynXX]

90. Only one main reason I didn't vote for her

Both Bill and Hillary are way to connected to the UAE. Which unfortunately for us, are getting alot of our teachers because we don't give a shit about education in this country.

[ThomWV]

10. I don't think its her age that keeps her off the list

That list looks like its made up of progressives to me, Hillary Clinton may be many things, but she is certainly no progressive. Maybe that's why Bernie is on the list at his age but Hillary is not even at her younger age.

[ThomWV]

11. Elizabeth Warren is like a fresh spring breeze in this torrid hell of a summer in politics.

I would vote for her for any office she might wish to persue. I contributed to her Senate campaign yesterday and I'll do so again and again as her campaign progresses.

[CTyankee]

19. Right now I am in total love with the idea of Warren's candidacy for the senate.

So I am a bit irrational. In my dreams, she would get into the Senate and kick serious butt, or at least get the moral outraged voiced that so many people want to be voiced. I can see her teaming up with my senator Dick Blumenthal. In my wilder dream, she and Dick form the Pres/VP ticket in 2016 with her at the top of the ticket.

I know, I know...I'm delusional...

[eridani]

50. In a way she's like Obama in 2008--a fresh new face

Definitely a plus.

[defendandprotect]

82. Maybe you ought to rethink that ... !!

[polmaven]

24. Do you see anything in my post

about her progressive/non progressive qualifications? Do you not remember all the posts which mentioned her age? A ton of them said she would be too OLD in 2016 because she would be pushing 70. How is it ok to elect a progressive who would be much older than that just because he is a progressive. My post was clearly in regard to age ONLY.

[eridani]

49. She's pretty much said she won't. correct? n/t

[polmaven]

61. She has...

but that is not my point!!!! The aversion by many here to her AGE in previous topics, as compared now with promoting Bernie Sanders, who is 6 years OLDER than Hillary. Why would we be concerned that she would be "pushing 70" in 2017, and not concerned with Bernie being 75 years old?

The AGE of each candidate was my question....Nothing else!

[defendandprotect]

37. Agree -- let's go with Sanders/Grayson in 2012 -- why wait -- ????

[eridani]

51. Because we haven't a prayer of getting up to speed with organization in time n/t

[defendandprotect]

80. IMO, if we get anyone as "white hat" as Sen. Bernie Sanders to run, it will be a "word of mouth"

campaign --

It will have to be as simple as voting for Wyatt Earp for Sheriff --

or maybe Jesus ?

We can all run off copies of posters from the internet and spread them around

everywhere --

Not much involved -- let's go -- !!

[eridani]

87. Precisely my point. Hard to create a large but accountable organization

--with just word of mouth. It ain't exactly a video going viral process.

[defendandprotect]

91. Try this -- what if Jesus was running against Obama ... who would you vote for

and how much organization would you need?

[eridani]

96. We don't have a Jesus equivalent, obviously n/t

[PatrynXX]

89. maybe other way round

and Feingold will stay in WI> he ain't moving.

[LeftofObama]

2. I voted "other".

Those are all GREAT choices, but I would absolutely love to see Al Franken chew up and spit out a teabagging repuke in a debate! They wouldn't stand a chance against him.

[1monster]

4. Oh please! I'm already sick of campaign 2012. Do we really have to start 2016's

campaign this early?!

[eridani]

52. Yes, we do. There is barely time n/t

[defendandprotect]

92. Most of us are sick of what we've seen happening with Obama since 2008 ... !!

And are anxious to see him out of the White House --

Couldn't be early enough!

[charlie and algernon]

5. Martin O'Malley, Governor of Maryland

Of course, he'll be the former Governor by then, but that sets it up perfectly for him: he leaves office just as it's time to start running for 2016.

[FSogol]

25. I'd second that. n/t

[dawg]

38. I like what I've seen of him, too.

Governors generally make strong candidates for President.

[NeedleCast]

40. I'd Support O'Malley

Not sure how he'd do, but I think he'd be a capable president.

[eridani]

53. What I've heard sounds good, but he needs to be better known n/t

[KamaAina]

58. That's why we have primary seasons

I could see O'Malley as the breakout guy a la Carter.

[charlie and algernon]

59. he'll get that attention when he introduces his gay marriage bill in January

especially if it passes.

A gay marriage bill failed this year, but O'Malley pledged to work harder at it and will actually make next year's bill an Administration bill, so it'll be a big priority for him.

[madinmaryland]

62. I'll second you on that. Ken Ulman will by then be the governor of Maryland!

:thumbsup:

[charlie and algernon]

98. Or at the very least, Ulman will be Lt. Gov

He'll be in the State House in one form or another in 2015.

[Hart2008]

6. The question for 2016 will be: Does President Hart seek a second term? NT

[CTyankee]

20. Do we really want to have a rehash of "Monkey Business"?

[Hart2008]

26. When Hollywood remakes the Marx Brothers' movies, we know that a second depression has arrived. NT

[CTyankee]

27. I meant the boat named "Monkey Business." nt

[Hart2008]

32. You think a yacht that was a 4 story floating hotel was a "boat"?

You need to educate yourself and stop repeating RW smears here on DU.

[CTyankee]

65. ACK...it's been a long, long time since I saw the photo of that, er, floating hotel...

I must be sadly mistaken...I'll hang my head and leave now...

[Hart2008]

68. Yes, you must have forgotten after Gary Hart predicted the terrorist attacks on Sept. 6, 2001.

Bill Mahr showed the headline from the Montreal Gazette from Sept. 6, 2001 which reads "Terror Risk Real: Hart. Thousands in U.S. will die, ex-presidential hopeful says." That warning was given at at an aviation conference on Sept. 5, 2001 in Montreal:
Bill Maher interviews Gary Hart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACYq7gWjFFc

Gary Hart was under a media blackout after 1988. This was true even after he had co-chaired the commission which had conducted the first comprehensive review of U.S. security since the end of WWII, and after Canadian newspapers screamed headlines of Hart predicting a terrorist at on America on September 6, 2001:

The Canadian headlines read, "Hart predicts a terrorist attack"–that’s Gary Hart, the former Colorado senator and two-time democratic presidential candidate who co-chaired the U.S. Commission on National Security with former Republican senator Warren Rudman. Hart had given his speech in Montreal. Interestingly enough, he was addressing the Air Transportation Association.

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/3/28/fmr_democratic_se...

I would point out also that the so-called newspaper of record, the New York Times, didn't print one word about that final report. Keep in mind this wasn't just another federal commission. This was the most comprehensive review of U.S. national security since 1947. And so we weren't competing with a thousand other federal commissions. This was groundbreaking stuff, and we had spent two and a half years putting these recommendations and findings together.

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/08/04_hart.html

By the way, when our final report came out in 2001, it did not receive word one in the New York Times. Zero. The Washington Post put it on Page 3 or 4, below the fold...
...I went out on my own throughout the spring and summer of 2001 saying, "The terrorists are coming, the terrorists are coming." One of the speeches I gave was, ironically enough, to the International Air Transportation Association in Montreal. And the Montreal newspapers headlined the story, "Hart predicts terrorist attacks on America."
By pre-arrangement I had gotten an appointment with Condi Rice the following day and had gone straight from Montreal to Washington to meet with her. And my brief message to her was, "Get going on homeland security, you don't have all the time in the world." This was on Sept. 6, 2001.

Condi Rice's other wake-up call
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/04/02/hart...

So the real issue here is why did no one in the U.S. take the terrorist attack warnings seriously?

After all of Clinton's problems with women, I doubt the younger generation will understand what all of the hubbub about Hart was in '87-88. Donna Rice Hughes always denied she had a sexual relationship with Gary Hart, refused a million dollar deal for an INTERVIEW with Playboy in '87-88, and presently works to prevent children from being exposed to pornography on the Internet. If I had to be involved in a "scandal", it would be with a lady like that!

Yes, indeed, you should hang your head in shame for repeating RW smears against a good Dem.

:spank:

[CTyankee]

97. I didn't repeat RW smears. I simply said I didn't want a replay of Monkey Business.

For whatever reason. Do not try to spank me. I didn't create this and I didn't make it continue. I simply didn't want a rerun of it in the national media, which it would have been undoubtedly given your idea. I like Gary Hart. I think he has some great ideas. He always has. That's not the problem.

do you get it? If not, why not?

[WI_DEM]

23. I'd like a glass of what you're having.

[Hart2008]

35. If you think Obama and his 39% approval rating will be reelected dog catcher, you are smoking crack!

:smoke:

I'm drinking water.

[Name removed]

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[treestar]

47. When does his 2012 campaign start?

:rofl:

[Number23]

73. On the 81st of Never?

:shrug:

[madinmaryland]

64. ...

:rofl:

Gary Hart is not running in 2012.

[obxhead]

7. It's not going to matter.

After 4 more years of "change" the voters will overwhelmingly vote in anyone with an R after their name.

[Donnachaidh]

9. ding ding ding.

I think you've pretty much called it bro.

[newspeak]

99. oh, I don't know

before 2016 will we even be allowed to vote? The way it looks, the repugs are doing everything in their power to make sure to disenfranchise as many of the unwashed masses as possible. Who knows, maybe the global corporate coup will already be done and we won't need no congress to represent the people, just the united board of corporate owners.

of course, if they keep the illusion that the government is still for "we the people", I'd like grayson, sanders, franken, kuccinich-even al gore.

[hobbit709]

12. WHO I want has less to do with it than what the CORPORATIONS want.

[demwing]

13. Al Gore

http://climaterealityproject.org/video/hour-24-new-york/

[nevergiveup]

16. Obama's

job approval ratings among his DU haters is 0%. Haters gonna hate and lovers gonna love. The great majority in the middle will decide.

[eridani]

54. If he didn't in 2008, why would he do it in 2016? n/t

[fredamae]

14. Sander's/Warren Ticket 2016-Grayson as Speaker n/t

[Donnachaidh]

30. Now THAT I could get behind, too.

Al Grayson as Speaker -- I'd buy a truckload of popcorn and move to DC just to hang out during sessions. :rofl:

[TBF]

15. We've given men plenty of chances to do this - time for a woman. I vote Warren. nt

[safeinOhio]

17. Sherrod Brown.

[Modern_Matthew]

18. Warren. nt

[LWolf]

21. Any of those would be fine with me. nt

[CrazyBob]

28. Any real Dem with a solid set of beliefs

Better to have beliefs and sell them to the public, than to follow the polls to decide whats good to believe in.

No more centrists. We need action.

[rury]

79. Lots of rose-colored glasses here...

Extolling the progressives virtues, steely spines and moral compasses of Warren, Brown, Hart, Feingold, Frankenn, Grayson, Dean, etc.
As soon as one of them started butting heads and HAVING to compromise with a recalcitrant Congress full of Blue Dogs and center-right DINOS, you'll all be screeching "corporatist" and "sellout."
Maybe not as many of you would turn on one of them as you have turned on President Obama, though.
Many of you would give any of the aforementioned a pass because they're all white.

[eridani]

86. My problem is not with the legislative hurdles that Obama faced and is facing--

--but with his mostly REPUBLICAN messaging. Government shouldn't directly try to create jobs, taxes are bad and cutting them is good, regulation is bad, "entitlements" need "reform," job-killing "free" trade is good, etc. If any of my suggested candidates ever spouted shit like that, they'd be under the bus instantly in my book, compromise or no compromise.

[elocs]

31. Could be an unknown. In 2003, who considered Obama to be a candidate?

Yet 5 years later, there he was. There may be someone out there right now that we don't even know enough about now to consider as a presidential candidate in 2016.

[hifiguy]

33. I would be turning somersaults over a Warren/Sanders

ticket or a Sanders/Warren ticket. Two genuine, committed progressives who wouldn't sell out. The country would be in good hands.

[Shagbark Hickory]

34. What's to say any of those won't flip flop and turn into retubbies too?

[defendandprotect]

36. Bernie Sanders/Alan Grayson would make a great ticket in 2012 -- let's go!!!

[NeedleCast]

39. Other

[Wait Wut]

41. Other.

That's a really, really, long way off. Ask me in 2014 or '15.

Or, I'll just go with my heart: Obama/Biden (Michelle and Jill)

[Ter]

42. Depends if Obama wins or loses in 2012

If he wins, 2016 is off the table. No way we'll have 12 years of Democratic rule. The country likes to change ever 8 years or so.

[Name removed]

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[AsahinaKimi]

43. Thank you for putting Barbara Boxer on your list

That was an easy choice for me.

[FreeJoe]

44. Repeal the 22nd Amendment

Then we can re-elect Obama. Ending wars is hard. Maybe it takes more than 8 years to do it.

[rury]

78. K&R!!

:dem:

[white_wolf]

84. No thanks.

I'm not even sure the country can survive four more years of his corporatist, neo-liberal,conservative, pro-capital, pro-rich, policies.

[Lord Helmet]

45. Elizabeth Warren/Rachel Maddow 2016

[KamaAina]

57. Tempting, but both are from the same state

Rachel lives in western MA. I doubt she'd pull a Cheney and run off to NY or someplace.

[treestar]

46. Way too early to discuss that

Good grief.

[eridani]

56. No it isn't. Without huge amounts of money, organizing will take time

Meanwhile, we need to get Obama re-elected, as the alternative is too horrible to contemplate.

[treestar]

71. It is the equivalent of 2007

Were we working on the 2012 election then?

[eridani]

85. Yes, as a matter of fact n/t

[ChoppinBroccoli]

48. SHERROD BROWN!!!

And not only would he make a great President, but he's probably the most "electable" of all the people mentioned above. He's got a great record and long history of fighting for liberal causes. He's the kind of vocal, left-wing leader I THOUGHT I was getting with Obama. I admire the man so much that I would even be willing to work for his campaign should he decide to run.

[CTyankee]

66. He's wonderful. But we need a strong woman at the top of the ticket.

He could be her VP. He'd be great on the stump. They're both smart, terrific looking, and talented.

[Rex]

55. To fix corruption and waste in government.

[undeterred]

63. Feingold / Warren

[City of Mills]

67. Not Elizabeth Warren.

She'll be too busy here in Massachusetts :evilgrin:

[Angry Dragon]

69. Satan is my number one pick

[CanonRay]

72. Howard Dean

[YellowRubberDuckie]

74. He is too smart for it, but Al Franken would freaking rock!

I love him. He's smart, rational and can form a sentence.
The republicans hate him too.

[N7Shepard]

75. Sanders for president, VP, and chief of staff for me!

[rury]

76. DeVaul Patrick or Jesse Jackson, Jr.

[Warren DeMontague]

81. Boxer

She's great.

[nolabear]

83. Hillary. Period.

[unkachuck]

88. other....

....Howard Dean, Howard Dean, Howard Dean, Howard Dean....

....actually, any of the above would be fine....as a test run, I'm going to writer-in Howard Dean in 2012 if the Prez doesn't improve....

[JI7]

93. Matt Damon

[trueblue2007]

94. I'M GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF THIS CRAP

IS THIS A GOP SITE???

[JI7]

95. Gary Hart

[Zorra]

100. I had to vote for Elizabeth Warren.

My gut tells me that she would rip Wall St. and K St. to shreds and give no quarter.

And that is the place where necessary political change has to start.