The only thing that bothers me about the Wall Street take over

[mmonk]

(protest) is the many Ron Paul supporters there. They talk about the corporations taking over while at the same time, they believe there should be no demands or requirements of corporations by society which seems screwy to say the least. But that is a product of the New Democrat movement because they blur things in the minds of those that see all Democrats as representing the left.

[Ohio Joe]

1. ahhh crap... The fucking paulites are there?

crazy ass douchebags should stay with the dumbass teabaggers.

[Warpy]

8. Those assholes intrude themselves everywhere they can

Since Paul is such a faithful tool of unregulated capitalism, you'd think the rest of the crowd would isolate them if not bounce them.

[JI7]

2. so what exactly are the Ron Paul supporters protesting ?

maybe they are there to oppose bail outs ?

[mmonk]

5. Most likely. I wonder what goes through their minds when they

see the trade unionists there also?

[dbonds]

3. When it comes to corporatism we are all on the same side...

The wall street types have to be dealt with first and it will take everyone. Then we can get back to the other politics and re-team up.

[Ohio Joe]

4. A shame the paulites do not see it that way

They like to muck up everything they become involved in with their crazy. Better off without them.

[NNN0LHI]

6. Who is we?

I already know the logical result of laying down with dogs.

Don

[dbonds]

23. And that's why we won't win this...

As long as the people are divided then the 'rulers' win. You don't have to stay united after we take care of the money maker problems, but it will take us being united to fight them.

[cali]

25. no, we're not. the Paulites believe in NO regulation at all.

[dbonds]

26. That's an issue for after the battle of Wall Street.

[Blue Meany]

7. There is a lot of common ground between libertarians and liberals...

Ron Paul wants to close US military bases around the world and stop corporate welfare. I think there is or can be a liberal/libertarian common interest in certain kinds of deregulation: the purpose of a lot of regulation is to make it too costly for small businesses to enter into a regulated industry and compete with big businesses (which can afford to jump through the hoops that, in some cases, they sought to have put in place). A lot of the regulations that are being used to impede the local food movement fall into this category. I hope that these are the kinds of regs Obama goes after.

[Ohio Joe]

9. Ron Paul deserves no support or good words from liberals

He is a racist douchebag with stupid financial policies and a strong desire to have women be subservient to men. Not to mention his anti-science stance. Fuck him.

[Claudia Jones]

10. no common ground whatsoever

What Ron Paul proposes is impossible - a fantasy that only appeals to weak minds.

No regulations are interfering with the local food movement. That is a libertarian lie that has been successfully inserted into and then promoted by naive organic organizations. Safety and health inspections have just about disappeared around the country. All small farmers have followed by them for 100 years and fully support them.

Elimination of food health and safety inspection is an extreme right wing dream come true. Sad that so many liberals have been duped into supporting that agenda.

[DrunkenBoat]

20. Paul is a serious fascist. The socialists had things in common with the national socialists too --

in *theory*. before the national socialists took power.

Devil's in the details, you know.

[Zanzoobar]

11. Your complaints are almost exactly 100 years too late.

[mmonk]

12. Explain.

Since neither I nor Ron Paul are 100, how would my op's message work 100 years ago? Are you talking about the Supreme Court decision of corporate personhood?

[Puregonzo1188]

13. Excuse me, I was there on Saturday at its height and the crowd was mostly

left types.

I did notice two separate groups of Ron Paul supporters both numbering at 2--so a whopping 4 Ron Paulers.

Two of them carried a sign and were part of the protest and respectful. The other two spent their time arguing with and heckling other demonstrators, and hogged the open mic to yell crazy things about fluoride and start arguments. Most people decided to ignore them, but one elderly woman started arguing with them over their claims that Fidel Castro had a policy of setting children on fire. They weren't well received or very well liked.

They were not a significant presence, were not a sizable number of people, and played no real role in the organization. When we broke up into General Assemblies and we talked about why we were there or what we wanted, no one mentioned Ron Paul and many of the people were talking about structural issues with capitalism.

Please don't spread nonsense.

[Ohio Joe]

14. That is good to hear

And why am I not shocked the ones that did show up were doing stupid non-sense.

"Fidel Castro had a policy of setting children on fire."

bwahahahahaha, Paulites are just too freakin stupid.

:rofl:

[Puregonzo1188]

18. He had read it in a book.

"I don't know what book you were reading."

It was a match made in Hell almost.

[white_wolf]

15. That's good. Perhaps I let my cynicism get the best of me.

Maybe, things can change. Once, again I apologize if in my other thread I came across as unsupportive or mocking. I'm not, Its just after how blatantly the people of WI were ignored, I'm losing faith in this system to respond to the will of the people.

[Puregonzo1188]

19. No, I understand. This was very small and disorganized.

There were times when I was quite disappointed, but also times when I was quite pleased.

Interesting day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. But, but but how else do you undermine a movement?

:thumbsup:

[mmonk]

21. Why accuse me of spreading nonsense?

I've just noticed several of them interviewed by different news sources. That meant some were there as a reasonable deduction. I wondered why they there given their stances on corporate taxes and regulatory matters.

[Zanzoobar]

17. The Wall Street take-over is almost exactly one hundred years old

As are your complaints. I mean, without regard to certain persons. You and Ron Paul are way behind the times in the complaint department.

[MineralMan]

22. The Libertarians and Paulites

show up at a lot of these things. Their goals are not the same as those of progressives, except in very narrow areas.

But, then, there are all sorts of people who show up for every protest and demonstration. Each has his or her own issues to promote. There's always message dilution.

[HughBeaumont]

24. Paul supporters show up at anti-war events also.

Ron Paul - Right on the War (albeit for all the wrong reasons), WRONG on Damn Near Everything Else.

Paul's supporters are really Supply-Side Laissez-failists disguised as Oberlin College students.