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Tue Sep-20-11 02:27 PM
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PS A whole lot of gay 18 year olds are just figuring out that now they can get drafted too ;-) |
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Hat tip John Aravosis. That's what equality feels like!
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:28 PM
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:29 PM
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2. We don't have a military draft |
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Which is probably why we're still at war.
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:30 PM
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4. Oh we don't? Oops sorry! |
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:30 PM
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3. Except there is no draft! Lucky them! n/t |
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:36 PM
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6. Yes we know. But you would have to be a gay young man in 1968 to understand |
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You think "well at least I won't be shipped to Nam"... With equality comes new responsibilities. And the draft could certainly return.
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Tue Sep-20-11 03:01 PM
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15. The draft won't return. |
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Unless the economy does a 180 and we bring back the middle class where kids can actually go to college without the GI bill. Until that happens, the military offers a job, housing, "food" and an education. The military is accepting fewer reenlistments, as it is because of cutbacks.
We would also have to enter into another World War. Even then, we need fewer bodies than in previous wars because of technological advances. Our next WW will be fought more with computers.
And, gay young men were always draftable. I'm sure there's plenty of names on our war memorials that could offer proof.
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Tue Sep-20-11 03:33 PM
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20. Oh, don't be too sure on that.... |
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Tue Sep-20-11 04:14 PM
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24. I'm sure '68 was a very difficult year/time period |
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at the height of the war and all. To declare and face the public shit or deny and possibly die. Wow. What a choice. I'm glad that today it is a better world.
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:33 PM
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5. I remember becoming aware that I could be drafted, when I |
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turned 18 in 1963. Came as a shock to me, it did. Sure enough, it wasn't two years later that I was ordered to report for a physical. Fortunately, I had arranged with the USAF recruiter to enlist on the day I got that notice. And so I was.
However, I remember some gay airmen in Basic Training. They enlisted, too, and wanted to serve. For their trouble, they were charged with a UCMJ crime and given bad conduct discharges. For a small town straight guy, that was my first introduction to how gay men were treated. I didn't like it one bit then, and I still don't like it. I've been supporting GLBTQ rights ever since.
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:37 PM
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7. lgbt people always were subject to the draft |
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and when called, they had to hide their true selves if they wanted to do their duty or out themselves and be persecuted
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:41 PM
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8. No, we and ALL 18-25-year-olds must fight to ensure that NO ONE is drafted. |
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Smash any attempts to revive the draft.
That is, unless there is an existential threat as in WWII; and then everyone under a given age should be subject to the draft (with proper arrangements to accommodate conscientious objection).
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:49 PM
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9. Why do you always spin progress so negatively? |
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:50 PM
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11. I'll give you three guesses |
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The first two don't count
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:52 PM
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Tue Sep-20-11 02:57 PM
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13. PS A Whole lot of gay 18 year olds are just figuring out that now they can get drafted too; |
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The draft ended some time back, now jerk superiors can't fire those that are in, when they're found out!
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Tue Sep-20-11 03:00 PM
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14. isn't the draft over ? |
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Tue Sep-20-11 03:06 PM
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16. Registration is required for all men when they turn 18 |
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I happened to be born just too early for the Vietnam-era draft, and too late to be compelled to register in the post-Vietnam draft registration which exists today. https://www.sss.gov/RegVer/wfRegistration.aspx
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Tue Sep-20-11 03:10 PM
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17. When will they be drafted? |
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When will they be drafted? Heck, when will anyone be drafted?
Or is your point on equality necessarily predicated on a hypothetical?
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Tue Sep-20-11 04:04 PM
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22. OFFS does every light point have to turn into kidney transplant surgery? |
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Tue Sep-20-11 03:26 PM
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18. I actually remember registering in 86 |
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and feeling that the one and only good thing about being gay was that I wouldn't be drafted. But I will say that this is a giant step forward and had it happened before 86 I would have gladly been subject to a real registration.
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Tue Sep-20-11 03:31 PM
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19. I'd wager that many, if not most, 18 year olds don't even know what the draft was |
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and haven't given a thought to it- gay or straight.
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Tue Sep-20-11 03:38 PM
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21. John Waters said that when he was young the best things about being gay |
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were that you didn't have to get married or go in the Army.
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Tue Sep-20-11 04:06 PM
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23. That's the point but the thread turned into a referendum on the draft lol |
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You're celebrating too much. You're not celebrating enough. Yish!
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Tue Sep-20-11 05:39 PM
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25. Sounds to me like you are pushing a new conspiracy theory, |
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"Obama's secret plot to draft homosexuals."
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