Blaming Nader for Obama's woes is like saying the Model T sucked because it was only offered in 8

[cherokeeprogressive]

shades of black.

Seriously? Really?

Al Gore lost the election because he didn't WIN it. His monotone delivery, earthtone clothes, and total lack of exitement couldn't have excited a nymphomaniac.

Had Gore been more of a "real person" and less of a "candidate" dancing to a tune written by all his "advisors", he would have won the election going away.

Blame Nader for today's problems? Might was well blame New Coke.

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1. How dare you for unscaping the goat of Nader.

K&R

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2. 97,000 people in Florida voted for Nader in 2000. Has anyone asked any of them why

they voted for Nader? The endless arguments over Nader in 2000 and blaming Nader for Bush always seem to assume that Gore was automatically entitled to those 97,000 votes.

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4. It's a scathing indictment of Gore that the vote ever got that close.

He was running against against the #1 dullard in politics.

[McCamy Taylor]

19. Read Rolling Stones "Press v. Al Gore" Its the MSM's fault.

All this Gore bashing makes me think that Big Oil is worried.

[quaker bill]

22. In FL, it is always that close.

[BzaDem]

9. Gore would have easily gotten several percent of them, and that is all that mattered. n/t

[sabrina 1]

18. But he didn't get the 300,000 who voted for Bush, and you think

those Nader voters would have gone to Gore? That is not likely, some of them may have, but many people voted for Gore who really wanted to vote for Nader.

Gore won, so the 'Nader did it' claim is just pure nonsense. And if Gore had received more votes in Florida, the criminals would have found another way to steal it. It was a lost cause because it was planned coup. To ignore that is to let them get away with treason. I will never forget what they did. You go ahead and forget it, they thank you for your willingness to blame someone who did nothing illegal while ignoring one of the major crimes of the century. This is why we never win anything. Too many apologists for the real criminals, too many party loyalists easily distracted by trivia while refusing to deal with reality and the hard stuff.

[quaker bill]

23. Yes

and the few I spoke with at the time to found Nader as a means to "punish" the dems. 97000 votes were not needed, 1000 would have done the trick.

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29. People refuse to see past the two party system

They can't understand that those 97,000 people were voting their principles, and have to see it as some kind of schoolyard nonsense. They can't see past the D and R two party scam.

[Demit]

3. Al Gore won the popular vote. The vote he didn't win was the Supreme Court's.

[CakeGrrl]

5. Who's blaming Nader for anything?

He's just a shit-disturber peddling a bad, divisive idea for Dems to the likes of Fox News, who eats it up with a spoon.

At least that's it as far as I'm concerned.

[coalition_unwilling]

6. Al Gore did win. No one held a gun to his head and forced him

to concede.

I don't blame Nader for the Supreme Court's high treason.

[truedelphi]

14. And on Sept 12th 2001, the NYTimes announced that Gore

Was indeed the winner of FLorida's popular vote.

[Ter]

20. September 12, 2001?

Was was that, on page 67? What percent of people actually read anything that day other than the attacks? 0.0000000000001%?

[BzaDem]

7. Actually, that is a really bad analogy. If Nader didn't run, Bush would not have been inaugurated.

It doesn't get much more simple than that.

[the other one]

11. Wanna buya bridge?

The Bush would have stolen it anyway.

Why not blame the 20000 oldsters who voted for buchanen by mistake? Maybe we should blame the bush years on seniors from palm beach county.

Better yet, I blame the corrupt FLGOP and the SCOTUS. And they thank you for blaming Nader.

[hfojvt]

13. But Bush didn't steal New Hampshire, Nader gave it to him

and also almost gave him Iowa, Oregon, New Mexico and Wisconsin. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/118

What happens if Gore wins New Hampshire? Then Bush steals Florida and Gore still wins the electoral college.

What happens if Bush doesn't steal Florida, but instead Nader gets another 16,987 votes (from Gore) distributed in just the wrong way between Iowa, Oregon, Wisconsin and New Mexico? Then Bush wins the electoral college again.

16,987 votes. It was that close, and in those states some 222.052 suckers voted for Nader.

[Ter]

21. You think Bush planned on stealing it?

I think they thought they had Florida in the bag. However, when the events took place, they tried to stop the recounts.

[quinnox]

8. um, ok, but we have to blame someone

because the first principle is, above all else, nothing is ever Obama's fault.

[YellowCosmicSun]

10. Nobody's blaming Nader for any problems Nader isn't personally responsible for.

Ralph is not a Democrat.

What business does he have meddling in a Democratic Primary?

The World had forgotten about him.
He is injecting himself.
Because he is, in fact, a total douchebag.

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[dionysus]

28. wow, what a load of crap.

:rofl:

[Fumesucker]

24. Nader ran as a Green in 2000 and gets *all* the blame from plenty of Democrats..

[NaturalHigh]

12. Man, I hate New Coke...

Nader had every right to run in 2000, in 2004, and whenever. That's what democracy is all about.

[AtomicKitten]

15. First and foremost, Al Gore won the 2000 election.

Included in the myriad of factors as to why Gore didn't take office, Nader's contribution was that he lied when he promised not to compete in swing states.

[jberryhill]

17. Al Gore was so bad that more people voted for him

Uh, okay.

Without even arguing about Florida, Gore's monotone unexcitement somehow got more votes.

[HappyMe]

25. Nader isn't a blip on the radar.

Every 4 years, he crawls out of the woodwork to spew some bs. :eyes:

[bowens43]

26. the country's woes are naders fault.

that's indisputable. Nader put bush in office. Everything that resulted from that is his fault. Period. End of story.

I am amazed that we are still seeing nader apologists here. Anything that he may have done in the distant past that benefited some people was more then negated by what he did 2000.

He needs to sit down and STFU.

[dionysus]

27. whats with all the simultaneous nader threads? did that old fool come out and say something?

:shrug:

[Javaman]

30. Gore lost nothing. george w. moron* was appointed prez by the supreme court. nt

[Nye Bevan]

31. Imagine if one week before the election, Nader had appeared on a stage with Gore,

acknowledged their differences, stated that the election was obviously close and that while he didn't agree with Gore on every issue, Gore was clearly vastly preferable to Bush. He could have urged his supporters to vote for Gore, which would have prevented Bush becoming president. No President Bush, no Vice President Cheney, no Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, no Iraq war, quite possibly no 9/11.

But that would have been sensible and selfless.

[mdmc]

32. ..

[treestar]

33. Unrec for strawman

And the Gore bashing. Voters need to vote and quit needing to be "excited." This is not entertainment.

[RBInMaine]

34. Nader is on the fringe and accepted help from the RePukes in his last campaign. Piss on him.