K and R if you think Nader needs to STFU

[DonCoquixote]

before he helps the GOP steal another election!

[Bluebear]

1. How did HE help STEAL it? Pretty heavy charge

[DonCoquixote]

8. He promised not to campaign in Florida

where if 600 odd people voted for him instead of Gore, Gore would have won Florida.

[EFerrari]

12. Right. Because if Ralph dropped out, Katherine Harris

would have shredded her list of thousands of black voters taken off the rolls illegally? Because if Ralph dropped out, the Brooks Brothers rioters would not have shut down the count and the Supreme Court would have found for Gore?

Seriously, that's ridiculous.

[trueblue2007]

36. IT IS ALL NADER'S FAULT. If that jackass had not have run, Gore would have won

[Firebrand Gary]

2. K&R +1000

[the other one]

3. Is Ralph really at the top of your stfu list?

Not Cheney? Or Palin? Or Breitbart? Or Fox News?

Nadar is the problem?

Unwrecked

[OKDem08]

4. I'm with you on this one.

there are better targets for animosity in the political realm...

[DonCoquixote]

9. All of those you named

are indeed on it, but none of that excuses Ralph. At least of the folks you mentioned pretend to be my friend then backstab me.

[Kolesar]

19. He looks like shit

And he talks trash. fuck him

[NaturalHigh]

5. Absolutely...

We just can't have anyone around who wants to exercise his rights in a democracy. We should all just swear loyalty to the party and shut up.

(Do I need that sarcasm thing?)

[tblue]

6. No dissing of him meant here, but does anyone listen to him?

:shrug:

[Larry Ogg]

27. The Corporate overlords hand pick the talking heads that most Americans listen too,

idolize, and vote for...

In other words, corporations control the cost of getting elected, which gives them the biggest say over who doesn't.

[quinnox]

7. I'd rather Team Obama concentrate on his horrible poll numbers

don't get those back up then a Nader won't make any difference.

[Kolesar]

20. Assnader wants to keep Obama's poll numbers down eom

[mfcorey1]

10. K&R....take that unrecers. nt

[Bluebear]

13. Still negative, whatever.

[mfcorey1]

32. Quit chasing me from post to post. I am a loyal democrat until the day I die. nt

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[mfcorey1]

37. At least mine are not totally anti Obama. I will continue to comment on your or any other

Obama bashing post. Yours have not been intellectual platforms either. Who are you to call someones post stupid?

[Bluebear]

38. No no no no! boo boo boo boo! Brainwashing!

:rofl:

[mfcorey1]

40. Are you a rebulican? nt

[Bluebear]

49. 'rebulican' - duh.

[mfcorey1]

51. Spelled it like you say it intentionally.

[Bluebear]

52. Lol ok

[meegbear]

11. K&R - he's unsafe at any speed

[EFerrari]

14. The situation in Florida that allowed BushCo to steal it

has not been changed one iota. And that has nothing to do with Ralph Nader.

[EFerrari]

15. Greg Palast Stealiing Elections

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M0WHrLslZE

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmmYGKOeHI8&feature=related

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY00Lqp-0mM&feature=related

[Mimosa]

16. This is America. Nobody needs to STFU!

Real democracy can withstand multiple parties and a diversity of views.

If our system -or the democratic party- is too weak to hear a third party candidate now and then it means we are tottering because we can't reach a majority with our message.

[JANdad]

17. Unrec...

Although this is a kick...Ralph has done more for this nation than Obama ever will...

[Mojeoux]

18. Hell No. He's not swinging any elections anymore, but he has ideas that need to be on the table.

:kick:

[Kolesar]

21. name two eom

[inna]

22. K&Unrec

[Logical]

23. Unrec for you being naive! And this post is failing! LOL

[HappyMe]

24. He's an irrelevant old fool. nt

[wildbilln864]

25. go Ralph! eom

[City Lights]

26. K&U. eom

[FarCenter]

28. K&R

[sammytko]

29. K & R

[Raine]

30. K&R nt

:dem: :thumbsup:

[William769]

31. STFU in a Democracy.

How nice. :eyes:

[NaturalHigh]

42. I find it quite ironic that so many "Democrats"...

care so little about democracy. :thumbsup: to your reply.

[Bandit]

33. What is he currently saying you disagree with?

:shrug: I doubt you even know what he has been saying lately...

[Rex]

43. Something I learned on DU recently.

People that like to crybaby about Nadar are the same DINO idiots that voted for Bush in 2000. They like to blame Nadar, otherwise they would have to admit what failures they are for electing the war criminal over Al Gore.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

46. I never heard that one.

Where did you learn this?

[DonCoquixote]

48. Very simply this

He is trying to find someone to be a PRIMARY challenger to Obama.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/19/news/la-pn-nader-obama-20110919
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/20/nader-pushes-dems-to-challenge-obama-in-2012-primary/
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/182529-nader-calls-for-primary-against-obama?utm_campaign=hillballotbox&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

And just in case you need his own words to drive home the point:
http://www.bluecheddar.net/2011/09/19/ralph-nader-and-cornel-west-call-for-primary-on-president-obama/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ralph-nader-and-cornel-west-call-for-primary-on-president-obama

Here is the text that is the meat of the matter:

"Consider for a moment two very different scenarios for the 2012 Democratic presidential
primaries. The First scenario, President Obama advances without contest to a unanimous nomination. There is no recognizable Democratic challenger, no meaningful debate on key progressive issues or past broken promises, just a seamless, self-contained operation on its way to raising one billion dollars in campaign funds."

Now, what is so bad? First off, he is NOT talking about the Green party, which was his home (until they decided to run Cynthia McKinney for president in 2008, someone who has had much more experience in congress than Nader ever did.) He is talking about monkeying with the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. IF he wants to affect the DEMOCRATIC party, why does he not declare himself a DEMOCRAT.

Why? Could it be the way he showed no problems taking GOP cash? Could it be the fact he never even acknowledge the fact that the GOP supported his efforts, despite the fact that RUSH LIMBAUGH encouraged his listeners to send money to Nader, and GLOATED about how effective Nader was dividing the left in Florida?

I know, you read a post you disagreed with and assumed I did not read what "he has been saying lately." When I produced it. Never mind the fact I was in Florida when 2000 happened, and hear the local talk radio goons laugh about it! Glenn Beck was working Tampa Florida, at 970 WFLA, Tampa, being the local lead in to Rush Limbaugh, and he gladly encouraged his right wing audience to support Nader to divide the left. In case his name sounds familiar, well, the GOP liked what he did in Tampa, and you can say he got a promotion to the big leagues.

But back to the task at hand, Ralph Nader is not running as a third party type, but is trying to monkeywrench the democrats. It is one thing for Nader to say he is just trying to do free speech, it is another when he is lying and knowingly helping the exact same people that will ensure any left we have left is GONE. Granted, Ralph will not have to worry where his next meal comes from, but the rest of us do.

[TeamsterDem]

35. K&R

[Auntie Bush]

39. K and R

My mother always said I should never hate anyone...but I'm disobedient.

[csziggy]

41. K&R

[fascisthunter]

44. hahaha...

dictators thought the same thing about many others. I guess it depends on who is dictating people STFU especially in a democracy, or what should be one.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

45. On the one hand, he a self-dealing,

untrustworthy demagogue and for a long time I disliked him more intensely than Bush 43 or even Osama Bin Laden. On the other hand, he has Hall of Fame credentials as a consumer advocate, he makes a lot of sense about most issues and he's very quick and knowledgeable. I think one principle of progressive thought is that of human redemption.

He has *no* right to talk about a primary challenge to Obama. That should be left to others. But barring that I am comfortable with him criticizing Obama/Republicans or addressing any other issue.

[DonCoquixote]

47. thank you

you summed up what I felt rather well.

[cabot]

50. at this point

he needs to shut up. for god's sakes, people, get it together and keep republicans out of the white house - okay?

[timtom]

53. What the hell is up with the preponderance of Nader posts?

I haven't regarded him since the 70's. He certainly isn't worth all the attention he's getting on DU.