Do you stand with labor, or with Ralph Nader, who busted a union at one of his organizations?

[LoZoccolo]

[HappyMe]

1. Labor, no question. nt

[opihimoimoi]

2. The Dude has more than a few loose screws...He is SICK...Get the HOOK

whad an asshole

[Better Believe It]

3. That false claim has already been discredited many, many times.

And what AFL-CIO or other recognized labor union did Ralph Nader allegedly "bust"?

Just name the union, the local number and its national affiliation.

Posting A credible website would also be helpful.

[snooper2]

5. The OP posted what is presumed to be a fact, so for you to discredit the OP

You as a good DU poster should provide some type of evidence that refutes the OP. Then the OP will be able to make counter claims. Maybe the OP is slow playing his/her hand...


You should be able to update your existing post to start a good sub-thread...


Oh, and when the hell is that next album coming out! Your fans are waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hi:

[hobbit709]

6. Looks like the "fact" was edited out.

[snooper2]

7. I was just trying to explain proper thread rules...

This has the potential to be a great thread but we have to get the initial cycle of replies on the right track :)

[hobbit709]

10. It's hard to get on the right track when the OP removes what started it.

and just leaves a thread title.

[snooper2]

11. I guess you do have a point....YO OP!!!!

can we put everything back in place please!

[SidDithers]

8. From the horse's mouth. Tim Shorrock tried to organize at Nader's Multinational Monitor...

and tells his story here:

http://timshorrock.com/?page_id=17

And the article that was published in The National Journal here:
http://timshorrock.blogspot.com/2006/06/boss-nader-or-how-i-was-fired-by-ralph.html

Sid

[elocs]

4. Here is a link:

http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm#antiunion

Busted a union among his workers:

Ralph talks big about democracy and even unions. But when his own workers at one of his magazines, Multinational Monitor, got fed up with cruel working conditions and started agitating for a union of their own, Nader busted the union with all of the hardball techniques used by corporate owners across America. Workers at Public Citizen, another Nader group, also tried to form a union because of 60 to 80 hour work weeks, salaries that ranged from $13,000 down, and other difficult working conditions and were blocked by Nader, who remains unapologetic to this day.

Nader says "I don't think there is a role for unions in small nonprofit 'cause' organizations any more than ... within a monastery or within a union."

When ringleader Tim Shorrock filed the union recognition papers, Nader immediately transferred ownership in the Multinational Monitor to close friends who ran an organization ("Essential Information") that Nader had set up. When Shorrock showed up for work the next day, he had been fired, the locks were changed, and management called the police to charge him with theft (of his own work papers.) That charge was thrown out of court, but management fired the two supportive editors and sued the three of them for $1.2 million, agreeing to drop the intimidation suit only when they dropped their NLRB complaint. All of these action are straight from the hardball anti-union playbook, and Nader makes no apology.

[Better Believe It]

9. You lifted this from "The Skeleton Closet" website!!!! This is your credible source! LOL

Yes indeed. People should visit your website for all the dirt on Nader, Obama, Hillary, Biden and others. The source for unbelievable dirt!

From the website:

The Skeleton Closet

All the Dirt on All the Candidates for President
--Since 1995--
Because character DOES matter.

You've come to the right place for dirt, attitude and
opinionated character reviews of all the presidential candidates.

Candidates In 2008
Sarah Palin -- Barack Obama -- John McCain -- Joe Biden -- Bob Barr -- John Edwards -- Ralph Nader -- Ron Paul -- Mike Huckabee -- Mitt Romney -- Rudy Giuliani -- Hillary Clinton -- Fred Thompson -- Bill Richardson -- Dennis Kucinich -- Newt Gingrich -- Alan Keyes

http://www.realchange.org/

Now, do you have any credible news source and actual fact based documentation to back up your attack?

[SidDithers]

12. See Post #8...nt

Sid

[bvar22]

13. Because in the binary world of Middle Childhood,

...it MUST be one or the other!


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[FarLeftFist]

14. Always Labor.