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DreamSmoker Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 10:57 AM
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Marijuana blocks PTSD symptoms in rats: study
This when the DEA has recently stated once again it position that Cannabis has absolutely no Medical Value..
They have stood on this for almost 40 years without doing any homework what so ever... No even allowing good old research here in the U.S. all this time.. Yep, NONE..
All their Stats are based on Criminal stats they pull out of their Asses.. Even Leading Doctors and Physiologist have backed the DEA all these years basing their findings on Bogus Criminal and Mentally ill Patients Stats...
All the real research is and has been done in other Countries for years as their findings were mirror opposites of the claims made by the DEA....
Its still this way to date...

JERUSALEM — Marijuana administered in a timely fashion could block the development of post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms in rats, a new study conducted at Haifa University has found.

The study, which was conducted by researchers at the university's psychology department and published in the Neuropsychopharmacology journal, found that rats which were treated with marijuana within 24 hours of a traumatic experience, successfully avoided any symptoms of PTSD.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/20/marijuana-blocks-ptsd-symptoms-in-rats-study/
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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:08 AM
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1. I'm all for anything helping PTSD as I have it, but pot doesn't work for me.
Gave you a rec tho, because we are not widgets, what may work for one may not work for another. The only thing that has helped my PTSD is exercising to exhaustion and EMDR.

The EMDR rewired my brain to process trauma - its the only thing that gave long term results. I see trauma as a broken record, stuck on the same groove. EMDR kicks the needle to a new neural path for processing. I've tried pot, and prescribed meds. Pot didn't work at all. Either did booze. Some prescription meds only help for the short term. Therapy helped identify the triggers so I can manage the PTSD better. But the only thing that worked at all in terms of eliminating symptoms was EMDR.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:25 AM
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3. the study says the mice were dosed within 24 hours of trauma..
perhaps this prevents the 'recording' of that 'record'? or doesn't allow it to get etched in so deeply..





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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 02:00 PM
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17. You are so right, we're all different.
I hope your own situation in this regard improves.

Julie
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:16 AM
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2. I will now be adding a doobie to my Disaster kit
of course, I'll have to swap it out every few weeks, so it stays fresh :smoke:
thanks for the info!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:36 AM
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7. a better solution is to just be certain you smoke pot at least once...
...every 24 hours. PTSD-B-Gone!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:39 AM
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8. LOL!
Genius!

*note to self-nominate mike_c for nobel prize in medicine.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:35 AM
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4. What are they doing to give rats PTSD?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:28 PM
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14. I've heard of tests were they allowed rats to swim in a tank until they're exhausted and just about
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 01:10 PM by Uncle Joe
to drown, after rescuing them for a short period, they put them back in and repeat the process over and over.

They dissected healthy rats and those subjected to this kind of stress torture, the internal organs of the stressed rats had aged considerably faster.

This is something I heard about years ago, not necessarily related to this particular study, but that's one way they can stress them.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:36 AM
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5. When I was in my teens and twenties
I had horrible social anxiety - disclosure: I was diagnosed Asperger's as an adult, which explained that issue - and smoking pot allowed me to function in a somewhat normal manner during those years. The wacky tobaccy loosened me up enough to get rid of my self-consciousness, make some friends and live a relatively normal life. I have no doubt that the weed is good for many things like this in addition to its value to cancer patients.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:36 AM
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6. PTSD in rats?
How in the world would that be measured and extended to humans with any real validity?
Biological, or stimulus\response psych studies with animals are measurable. But subjective information is not available.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:07 PM
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10. Right. Next stop: studies in humans. Want to volunteer?
;-)
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:14 PM
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12. rats are an excellent model for PTSD....
It's not my field, mind you, but one can induce stress in laboratory rats in lots of ways, ranging from the truly horrific (severe electric shocks, mutilation, pain induction, heat/cold stress, exhaustion, etc) to analogs of human daily life stressors (crowding, startling noises or flashing lights, food insecurity, and so on). Their performance on objective physiological and behavioral tests, and their health, survivorship, fecundity, and growth are all good measures of the impacts of stress.

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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:37 PM
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15. I don't see a reasonable comparison
"Stress and anxiety" do not begin to describe the clusters of symptoms associated with PTSD.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 01:57 PM
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16. no, but the point is that rats also exhibit consistent, stress induced symptoms...
...many of which manifest similarly to human symptoms. Stress disorders in lab models are ANALOGs of human PTSD-- as you noted, we have no way to measure the subjective experience of rats. But it isn't necessary to understand how rats EXPERIENCE stress subjectively-- it's only necessary that they exhibit consistent, replicatable, and measurable responses over a range of stress intensities. Remember, they're mammals too and have much more physiology in common with humans than they have differences.
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Katidid Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:06 PM
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9. What about the Vietnam Vets?
My brother was in Nam in the late 60's (not a good time, none of it was. Hated yhat "war"). He learned how to smoke pot freely over there. He has PTSD, and smoked until 4 years ago. Got off everything,started excersing his butt off and eating healthy. There is no such thing as an X-Marine. :hippie:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:08 PM
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11. Shit, you mean now we're going to have to find prison space for millions of non-violent RATS, too?
Good god!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:22 PM
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13. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, DreamSmoker.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 07:37 AM
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18. ..
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 07:43 AM
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19. This is one instance where they should've tested on humans first. n/t
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