Thank you, LBJ, for the rights of women, people of color & anti-segregation!

[Bluebear]

Civil rights hero & most progressive President ever, Johnson

President Johnson did more to legally advance rights for women and people of color on a national level than any other individual in American history.

[Justitia]

1. He also did more to reduce poverty in this country than any other president - before or since. -eom

[Bluebear]

5. And everything is being dismantled

Ever wonder what these presidents would sat from their graves? "they're doing WHAT??"

[orpupilofnature57]

12. I wonder what they were doing 11/22/63 waiting in the wings?

[roguevalley]

25. no one ever remembers that. He was a GIANT. He did more

to help people than anyone else I can remember in the last forty or fifty years.

[Tx4obama]

2. You will need to post some evidence of that.

LBJ had NOTHING to do with the rights of women regarding:
1) The right to vote
2) Abortion
3) Property rights
4) Equal pay
etc...

So, if you think you are correct then please back up your statement with links to legislation.

[yardwork]

6. Nothing? LBJ had NOTHING to do with any of those rights?

[Tx4obama]

10. Huh?

Women had the right to vote 'before' LBJ was president.
As far as a women's right to an abortion: President Lyndon B. Johnson died the same day as the Roe decision.
What did LBJ ever do regarding property rights? Equal pay for women?

What is it that you think LBJ did regarding women's rights?

[yardwork]

40. I'm asking you to provide evidence to support your statement. I made no claims.

[Justitia]

17. LBJ established the EEOC - Equal Employment Opportunity Commission which includes "sex"

in its protected classes.

[Tx4obama]

22. The EEOC has to do with 'hiring' not equal pay

The Fair Pay Restoration Act was not signed until January 2009

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-barack-obama-lilly-ledbetter-fair-pay-restoration-act-bill-signin

[Justitia]

23. You have to get hired before you can get paid - isn't that obvious?

But I sense there is some other agenda at play on this thread that I'm not privy to, so this is the end of my participation in this.

[MFrohike]

26. I'll bite

1. 1965 Voting Rights Act. It had a lot to do with making it possible for non-white women to vote.

2. He nominated Thurgood Marshall, who voted in favor of Roe.

3. State issue. He only served on the federal level, with the possible exception of the directorship of the Texas NYA.

4. He was ahead of his time in promoting opportunities for women in the executive. This wasn't done by legislation, but through hiring policies. By today's standards, it may not seem like much but when you're the first one to do it, it's huge.

Incidentally, Barbara Jordan was a favorite of his and got a lot of support from him. And never forget the prominent position that Lady Bird played in beautification initiatives. In terms of influence on public policy, only Eleanor Roosevelt would have outdone her.

[CloakedClock]

3. He also escalated a war based on lies...

...and rigged his election to Texas Congress.

And during his career as Senate Majority Leader, he worked dilligently to ensure that the Civil Rights Bills that were passed in '57 and '60 were fairly watered down. That way, he could claim credit to civil rights advocates that he forwarded their agenda while simultaneously telling Southern Democrats and conservative Republicans that he minimized any civil rights gains that would have been made.

He accomplished much that was good, and some that was very bad. He's a very controversial president in that respect. He has traits I admire but, as a whole, I don't know that he's someone I'd want to emulate.

[bigwillq]

11. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[orpupilofnature57]

20. I agree ,no hero

Welcome to DU ,CloakedClock

[orpupilofnature57]

4. Wow ,Abe ? Martin? Didn't JFK start most of what LBJ was around to finish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

[MFrohike]

27. Nope

Kennedy submitted the bill, but it no hope of getting out of committee, much less passing. Johnson was able to lean on the committee chairmen because he had Richard Russell in his corner. While Russell didn't want the bill passed, and would lead the opposition to it, he knew it had to at least come up for a vote or his protege (LBJ) would look very bad and would be hurt in the 1964 election.

Kennedy did start the presidential talk about the 64 Act, but that's about it. All the real work was done by Johnson and helpers like Humphrey.

[orpupilofnature57]

29. Say's here he did everything in his presidential power to do civil rights wise.

http://www.historynet.com/president-john-f-kennedys-civil-rights-quandary.htm Welcome to DU!!!!

[MFrohike]

36. I was unfair

The difference between Kennedy and Johnson is the difference between raising awareness about an issue and actually doing something about it. Kennedy was hamstrung by a Congress that didn't like or trust him and, going by comments of his contemporaries, was never very interested in making the effort to actually pass legislation. I wouldn't say he did everything possible as president because his successor did just that and got the bill passed, instead of stuck in committee. It's not that Kennedy didn't care, he just wasn't nearly as effective as LBJ.

[polmaven]

46. He was also

hamstrung - just a little - by his assassination, don't you think?

[MFrohike]

50. No

The most productive year legislatively for presidents is the first year of a first term. Kennedy was notably ineffective in getting legislation through Congress, which was due to a variety of personal and political factors. The centerpiece of his domestic agenda, a tax cut, was stalled in Congress until after the assassination, when LBJ made it his immediate priority.

The assassination probably didn't matter much in terms of his domestic agenda. He just couldn't get legislation through Congress, which is why he made extensive use of the executive order. In terms of foreign policy, he never had to face the issue of escalation in Vietnam, which was traceable to the acquiescence in the ouster and murder of Diem. Had he been alive from 65 to 68, I don't think his reputation would be nearly as good as it is now.

[William769]

7. But everybody keeps telling me it's Obama!

Now is there revisionist history trying to be made here?

[Pab Sungenis]

8. Yep. More than MLK, Medgar Evers, Rosa Parks, Malcolm X

and the Freedom Riders combine. Sign two bills and you're automatically the only person who matters in a civil rights movement.

Right?

That's what I'm being told today.

[Bluebear]

15. Who?

[Luminous Animal]

35. !

:)

[ThomCat]

39. You have to consider WHO keeps saying and implying that

kind of nonsense.

They are Obama fanatics who are only capable of seeing Obama as the hero and savior who single handedly solves every problem with a simple speech, and gets credit for everything good that happens, even when he mostly fought against any actual solutions that finally got implemented.

It's all about Obama for them. They can't see anybody else clearly because their illusions about Obama keep getting in the way.

[LanternWaste]

52. Praising the accomplishments of one does not deny the accomplishments of another...

I think we often hear what we want to hear, rather than listen to what is being said more often than not.

Praising the accomplishments of one does not deny the accomplishments of another. :shrug:

Right?

That's what I'm hearing today

[Brickbat]

9. The man knew how to use a bully pulpit.

[William769]

13. Self delete.

Posted wrong place.

[Solomon]

38. Had to do something since he was

involved in Kennedy's murder.

Yeah that's right. I said it.

[polmaven]

47. Well, an overwhelmingly

Democratic Congress may have helped a little, doncha think?

House of Representatives
Democrats - 258
Republicans-177

Senate
Democrats - 66
Republicans-34

[William769]

14. Don't forget Medicare/Medicaid! Whats going on with those two programs now?

Just saying.

[Submariner]

16. F**k him

[William769]

19. You also need to add Dwight D. Eisenhower & John F. Kennedy also.

And also lets not Forget GWB & Obama for the current mess.

[SidDithers]

18. Fail thread. B+ for effort, though...nt

Sid

[Pab Sungenis]

21. You don't get the joke.

Don't worry. You weren't there for the discussion.

[treestar]

24. He did not do that all by himself

[Pab Sungenis]

44. You don't get the joke.

Some people have taken to claiming the same thing, with the exact same words, about Obama and gay rights.

[treestar]

56. I have always acknowledged Congress' role

Had this Congress refused to pass a repeal of DADT, though, you can bet that would have been visited on Obama's head. Bully pulpit! Weakness!

[Pab Sungenis]

58. Agreed, but

the joke was in giving people unequal credit for their actions.

[UTUSN]

28. K&R #8 for, WOW, a thread I can really really love. Thank you. n/t

[Tom Ripley]

30. LBJ was the most progressive president of my lifetime

[EFerrari]

31. . . .

:spank:

[Matariki]

32. I think I'll think my 'foremothers' for my rights as a woman, thanks.

They were hard won by the women who came before us.

[Luminous Animal]

37. No really! He single-handedly recognize that there was a problem and graciously

granted women & minorities the rights that they were too oppressed to ask for.





(P.S.)The OP is satire. He's skewering the people who insist of giving Obama credit for the repeal of DADT. Giving Obama credit without acknowledging the decades of activism and activists heroes. As both you and I know, without them, gay rights wouldn't even be a blip on any politicians radar.

[Bluebear]

41. No, LBJ fought long and hard for those rights. And as a white man I think I have the right to judge

who to thank for that.

[Matariki]

54. ;-)

I missed your subtlety. Should have known ;-)

[polmaven]

48. +1

Thank you...The women fought hard to force these rights. The male presidents did not do it alone.

[Luminous Animal]

33. I am so glad that he seriously shouldered the white man's burden.

I'm going to start a national campaign to change the name of all the MLK Blvds. to LBJ!















:sarcasm:

[NaturalHigh]

34. Thanks for escalating that war in Vietnam too.

That worked out really well for all involved, didn't it? Sorry, LBJ isn't on my heroes list. In fact, I usually put him on the list of all-time great losers who occupied the White House.

[Creideiki]

42. Vietnam, Afghanistan...toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe

Of course, in LBJ's defense, Vietnam didn't happen before Vietnam. It DID happen before Afghanistan.

[KG]

43. bravo.

[JVS]

45. This seems very familiar.

[xchrom]

49. ...

:toast:

[Ignis]

51. Well played.

But IBTL, probably. :(

[Ikonoklast]

53. And he was reviled by The Left.

He didn't run for re-election because of their assault against his presidency; totally ignoring the good he did, and focusing entirely on the war.

[treestar]

57. That is very ironic

Though he was so tough, so intimidating, that no Democrat dared go against him! He had a spine! He is everything the left wanted! So how convenient they've forgotten he was reviled by the left too. (FDR and Truman too).

[AngkorWot]

55. I haven't been so upset since Lincoln freed the slaves.

That son of a bitch.