Tx4obama
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Thu Sep-22-11 11:45 PM
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U.S. Constitution does NOT give The President power to grant eprieves or Pardons in 'state' cases |
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Edited on Thu Sep-22-11 11:45 PM by Tx4obama
Section 2: Presidential powers Clause 1: Command of military; Opinions of cabinet secretaries; Pardons
“ The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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So, in the case of Troy Davis it was not a 'federal crime/case', therefore The President did NOT have any jurisdiction.
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Thu Sep-22-11 11:51 PM
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And commenting would have bought enemies- not just Republicans, but people in Democratic party, as well.
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Thu Sep-22-11 11:52 PM
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2. A lot of people must have missed that Schoolhouse Rocks episode |
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Thu Sep-22-11 11:59 PM
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3. Is there some widespread dispute of that? |
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Fri Sep-23-11 12:01 AM
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4. There must be a whole forum that I can't see |
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because I haven't seen anyone suggest Obama had jurisdiction.
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Fri Sep-23-11 12:08 AM
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5. I've seen a few posts saying it. |
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Fri Sep-23-11 12:57 AM
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6. I've seen posts criticizing his decision not to comment |
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but that's not the same as claiming he has jurisdiction.
Oh, well, maybe I just missed them.
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Tx4obama
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Fri Sep-23-11 05:25 PM
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9. You can do a search here on DU for the words: Obama intervene |
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results will come up. There are threads and comments regarding intervention by Obama.
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Fri Sep-23-11 06:24 PM
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10. And that still would not be a claim that he had jurisdiction. n/t |
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Fri Sep-23-11 06:53 PM
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11. Then please explain.... |
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how people can say Obama should have intervened, if they didn't think he had power/jurisdiction to do so?
Your argument makes no sense ;)
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Fri Sep-23-11 07:16 PM
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12. Intervention can take many forms. |
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And it makes perfect sense if you understand what "intervention" means. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intervention
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Tx4obama
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Fri Sep-23-11 07:42 PM
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14. You darn well know that.... |
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folks meant: to intervene to stop the execution Obama had NO power to intervene to stop the execution. Like I said he had no jurisdiction to do so.
I win, you lose. Goodnight ;)
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Sat Sep-24-11 02:06 PM
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15. Nope. I was following Troy's activists and DU threads |
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Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 02:06 PM by EFerrari
that night and people were focused on the Parole Board and the Supreme Court. As usual, you are so focused on Obama that you miss the bigger picture. That Obama failed to address this egregious execution isn't even surprising, but only his m.o. This event however, was not about him no matter how much you try to make him the victim.
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Fri Sep-23-11 11:21 AM
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7. does the us constitution preclude him from making a simple statement regarding the gross injustice? |
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Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 11:21 AM by frylock
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Fri Sep-23-11 11:39 AM
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8. Not at all. But that would have required political courage. |
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I would have loved him to make a statement denouncing the execution. But I would also love him to state that gays should be allowed to marry. Unfortunately he is too worried about losing votes to do either.
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Fri Sep-23-11 07:20 PM
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13. Protocol going back to Washington and choosing battles |
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I am opposed to the DP on principle...and critical of this president on many matters...but on this one I get it.
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