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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:04 PM
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The Anti-Vax Vaccination: Contains Pure, Concentrated Critical Thinking
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:08 PM
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1. k&r
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:46 PM
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2. K&R n/t
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 02:03 PM
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3. FYI: Gottstein on "The Attempted Hijacking of 'Science' by the Ultra Pro-Vaccine Crowd"
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 02:07 PM by proverbialwisdom
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/20110921TheAttemptedHijackingGottsteinS

The Attempted Hijacking of “Science” by the Ultra Pro-Vaccine Crowd

by Sandy Gottstein
September 21, 2011


Those who unquestioningly support and promote vaccination while at the same time trivializing vaccine safety concerns have tried to co-opt science as their own private fiefdom.

But is that legitimate? And what is science, really? Is it some clear-cut, static system with hard results? Or is it an ongoing process, and one that depends on asking the right questions in the right way? Is the pro-vaccine camp right that only they understand and properly use science and its methods? Or do such notions suggest a lack of understanding about science, including its strengths and limitations, and/or a propaganda effort (e.g., by inserting the word “science” in the title of your blog) designed to camouflage the truth?

Among the varied definitions of science are the following:

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Science alone of all the subjects contains within itself the lesson of the danger of belief in the infallibility of the greatest teachers in the preceding generation . . . As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.

Richard Feynman, Nobel-prize-winning physicist,
in The Pleasure of Finding Things Out
as quoted in American Scientist v. 87, p. 462 (1999)

So what are the bases of the anti-vaccine-safety camp’s assertions?

First, their declarations of vaccine safety are almost entirely based on industry-funded or influenced “science”. For them, the indisputable potential for conflict of interest to result in compromised scientific research apparently has no relevance to vaccines. While the pro-vaccine camp has made a dogma out of trivializing vaccine-safety concerns, in fact, such tarnished “science” does not disprove evidence of vaccine harm. The unreservedly pro-vaccine camp’s willingness to embrace tainted research raises more questions than it answers.

Second, their claims are based on rejecting contrary evidence, including observations of temporally- related adverse vaccine events, even those that occur within minutes or hours. It is absurd to assume that a temporally-related event cannot be causally related. In fact, under normal circumstances, it would be the first thing suspected. But vaccines are not viewed in the “normal” way.

Of course a temporal relationship alone does not alone prove anything...

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Fourth, there is the disgraceful rejection of nearly all the evidence published in journals that supports the notion that vaccines may be causing harm. This in spite of the high hurdle such studies must surmount, given heavy funding of the journals by vaccine manufacturers , difficulty getting non-industry funding, and conflicts of interest among many of the “peers” reviewing those studies. All of this makes it extremely difficult to get a fair hearing and published.

One stark example of the rejection of published studies that challenge so-called “expert” vaccine proclamations involves thimerosal as a possible cause of autism and/or other vaccine harm. The ultra pro-vaccine crowd wants us to believe the issue has been settled, even though science is almost never “settled”. And even though there are at least 90 journal articles ( http://www.vaccinationnews.com/evidence-thimerosal-risk and http://www.vaccinationnews.com/evidence-thimerosal-risk-page-2 ) that clearly suggest otherwise. (They also incorrectly insist that thimerosal has been completely removed from childhood vaccines ( http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1 ), totally ignoring the fact that many of the flu vaccines now given to children contain it, while other vaccines contain “trace amounts”, and/or that whatever amount is still left is surely not a problem. But that is another story.)

Fifth, given that most funding comes from industry, few researchers who question vaccinations receive the necessary funding. Those who support vaccination and minimize vaccine risks would have us believe the consequent absence of evidence is evidence of absence. It is not.

Ignoring, dismissing and/or failing to properly study that which contradicts the status quo may be a great way to run a business, but it is no way to conduct science. The anti-vaccine-safety crowd has some nerve making the unscientific claim that the vaccine-safety issue has been settled. It is high time for the public to stop falling for such self-serving, deceptive pronouncements.


More information here:

http://www.ebcala.org/areas-of-law/vaccine-law/the-evidence-shows-that-vaccines-cause-mental-retardation

Elizabeth Birt Center for Autism Law and Advocacy

Posted on: 09-19-2011 Posted in: Areas of Law, Vaccine Law


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While her (Rep. Bachmann's) claims may have missed the mark and utilized imprecise terms, perhaps the claim that vaccines can cause “mental retardation” is not so irresponsible, after careful examination. There have been thousands of reports of adverse events associated with the HPV vaccine. While there is no evidence that the HPV vaccine causes “mental retardation” there is evidence that it causes neurological problems, brain injury and associated cognitive problems.<2> There is evidence, as we document below, that vaccines can and do cause “mental retardation.” The Federal government has itself acknowledged that vaccines can, in some cases, cause “mental retardation.”

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“Mental retardation” is not a condition that is likely to occur in an individual who has reached an advanced age without previous evidence of cognitive or learning problems. Rather, it is likely that cognitive deficits afflict some individuals who have been injured by the Gardasil vaccine, and these have been documented. <8>

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On reviewing the most recent controversy, we conducted a preliminary examination of the legal literature reporting whether vaccines can cause “mental retardation,” something which pundits rebutting Rep. Bachmann seem very sure about. We easily found clear examples of reported cases in the legal literature showing that there has existed credible evidence, going back 50 years, that vaccines have had a causal relationship with “mental retardation”. While the legal process employs standards that are different from a focused scientific inquiry, the cases we found provide support for the claim— based on the evidence provided by medical doctors— that vaccines have, indeed, caused “mental retardation.”

In presenting what we have found, we acknowledge that our data raises more questions than it resolves. But this is precisely the point. “Science” cannot point to studies showing that vaccines are completely safe. To the contrary, credible information supported by medical experts, shows that vaccines can cause serious neurological injuries such as, or similar to, “mental retardation.” To date, “Science” has not revealed the precise mechanism by which such injuries occur. A recent Institute of Medicine review of specific issues related to the safety of selected vaccines reported that, for most questions regarding vaccine safety, scientific investigation is incomplete and inconclusive.<11>

We have cited four cases below, selected from many that are easily located, that clearly show the connection between vaccine injury and “mental retardation”. Notably, the decisions finding that vaccine injury caused “mental retardation” are supported by expert medical testimony.

Contrary to concerted recent claims in the media, it has long been understood that vaccine injury can result in permanent neurological damage. To the specific point regarding “mental retardation” and vaccines raised by Rep. Bachmann, the evidence dates back 50 years.

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http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/12/liz-birt-1956-2005.html
Liz Birt Tribute
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 02:35 PM
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4. Here's something you should read: Facts in the case of Dr. Andrew Wakefield
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:51 PM
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5. Those are not the facts. They are disputed allegations.
Like pictures? How's this for a schematic raising questions about conflict of interest?

http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2011/07/revisiting-james-murdoch-brian-deer.html

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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 04:03 PM
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6. Is that straight from the Glenn Beck school of nonsense?
Take a bunch of names and unrelated ideas and draw a bunch of arrows.

We all know how to play the Kevin bacon game and realize it means absolutely nothing.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 04:07 PM
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7. But it is a perfect illustration why the "Ant-Vax Vaccination" is needed.
No critical thinking going on there.
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 10:12 PM
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9. Oh snap. Think again.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/09/british-medical-journal-sabotages-free-academic-discourse-over-wakefieldlancet-paper.html

British Medical Journal Sabotages Free Academic Discourse Over Wakefield/Lancet Paper

British Medical Journal has acted to sabotage free academic discourse over the Wakefield/Lancet paper

By John Stone

BMJ editor, Fiona Godlee’s National Institutes of Health presentation last Tuesday (September 6, 2011) is still not available on-line, and it is hard to understand what is delaying it. In the meantime my letter to her of the following day, submitted to BMJ on-line, has also not been posted. If the case is so seamless Dr Godlee why are you so frightened to allow free discussion in BMJ’s columns?

"Bethesda presentation: can we revert to normal academic standards and courtesies?"

Dear Fiona Godlee,

I was astounded by much in your presentation to the US National Institutes of Health at Bethesda (just outside Washington DC) on Tuesday. Among other things you remarked that Brian Deer had responded to criticisms of his BMJ papers made on the web. Unfortunately, the reason why many of these criticisms appeared on the web was because publication in BMJ itself had been denied.

Given the seriousness of Mr Deer's allegations and BMJ's support of them, would it not be appropriate, fair and decent for BMJ to open its columns to civilised discourse, so that Mr Deer can answer criticisms in BMJ itself, and not in such illustrious blogs as 'Respectful Insolence' and 'Left Brain/Right Brain', where BMJ doesn't have to take any responsibility for them.

With all good wishes,

John Stone

Competing interests:

Autistic son


Posted by Age of Autism at September 11, 2011 at 8:14 PM in Dr. Andrew Wakefield, John Stone|Permalink|Comments (32)

COMMENTS:

As a UK doctor, I was profoundly disappointed by Godlee’s appearance at the Fogarty International Center last week. One disappointment (out of many) was Godlee’s flatfooted trip over … the failures of the government, the media and even the (piously hypocritical) medical establishment … in getting across the message that all vaccines, particularly the MMR, are safe for all people, at all times.

Godlee says (39m 33),
… “As for looking back … why the message didn’t get across … there’s a whole host of.. um …reasons one might look to …this is thinking about the early days of the scare, why the government didn’t make a better case in the UK to .. kind of … contain things .. um .. I think one has to say that negative studies are not good news … stutter … are not news … so in the place of this single twelve children case series, which seemed to suggest something positive but dreadful .. nervous titter ... negative studies would suggest … barely audible tsk … strongly confirm something negative but positive .. um … sorry … negative but good for health … are not such, such important news. It’s also, I think it’s fair to say, a very complex story” …

Indeed, Dr Godlee!

Of course, I think it’s fair to recall, at this stage, the flatfooted case of Professor Sir* David Salisbury, UK director of immunisation and bulwark of the British medical establishment, who acted as an expert witness for the prosecution of Andrew Wakefield, in the longest and most expensive trial in UK medical history. In front of the GMC, the professor declared that the MMR had an “exemplary safety record” … despite the fact that the vaccine had been withdrawn from UK use, in 1992, because the vaccine was unsafe.

I also think it would be fair to suggest that Dr Godlee should now take the opportunity to trip - flat-footedly - off the UK and international stage.

* although not yet awarded, a knighthood for services to vaccine safety, is a racing certainty

Posted September 15, 2011 at 08:14 AM

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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 10:36 PM
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10. Don't read it.
Don't read this either. The more you know the worse it is.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/08/fresh-fraud-brian-deers-vanishing-writing.html

Fresh Fraud: Brian Deer’s Vanishing Writing
By Jake Crosby
Posted August 31, 2011


COMMENTS:
Posted by: John Stone | September 01, 2011 at 02:03 PM
As we know Deer used a false name when interviewing parents: the Sunday Times couldn't just send another journalist who was confident about using their own name. No, it had to be Deer incognito.

Posted by: Jenny Allan | September 01, 2011 at 05:18 AM
As the grandmother of a 'Wakefield babe' (now 18), diagnosed and treated by those wonderful Royal Free clinicians Professors Walker-Smith and Murch, I will continue to campaign to clear their names until Prof Walker-Smith and Dr Wakefied are vindicated and their names restored to the UK GMC register. I pray that I will live long enough to see that happen. My tactics have included formal complaints to the Press Complaints Commission, COPE (journal ethics), BMJ, the BBC, (UK TV and radio) ITV (a commercial station part owned by Murdoch and reliant on pharma advertising) and of course putting comments on internet press and independent articles, Facebook and AoA.

Brian Deer is proven to have been employed and paid by Murdoch's News Corporation. His Sunday Times articles attacking Dr Wakefield, were all commissioned purely for that purpose. The first of these articles were published in 2004. Deer's 'investigative journalism' and conclusions were all based on illegally obtained and published confidential child medical records. The BMJ has also admitted 'commissioning' the ignorant and medically and scientifically UNQUALIFIED Deer to write three articles published earlier this year on the theme 'Secrets of the MMR scare'. To all intents and purposes, Deer's first article 'How the evidence linking MMR and autism was fixed' is a rehash of those earlier Sunday Times articles. BMJ Editor, Fiona Godlee has been forced to admit to huge conflicts of interest regarding pharma sponsorship and funding including MMR manufacturers Merck and GSK. There is also the matter of the Murdoch connection, via James Murdoch's directorship of News International and BSkyB ---AND his non executive directorship of GSK.

Without the tireless exposure of Deer by those relentless AoA editors, John Stone, Mark Blaxil, Jake Crosby and all the others, Brian Deer's lies and false allegations, both published and spoken on his US lecture tours, would be believed without question.

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 04:12 PM
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8. How come the woman on the right looks like Michele Bachmann?
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