NYPD runs amok at 12th St. and University Place: Does Bloomberg want his cops to kill somebody?

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NYPD runs amok at 12th St. and University Place: Does Michael Bloomberg want his cops to kill somebody?

Unbelievable protest footage. NYPD drag girl across the street

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/09/nypd-runs-amok-at-12th-st-and-university-place-does-michael-bloomberg-want-his-cops-to-kill-somebody/

from MCM

[coalition_unwilling]

1. Of course Bloomberg and the capitalists want the cops (working class)

to kill a protester (working class). They secretly desire it, as it cannot be publicly voiced. The ruling class always seeks to pit the working class against itself, usually by appeals to false consciousness, like racism, sexism, homophobia or its like.

[banned from Kos]

3. For crying out loud - a death by a cop would bring thousands more protestors

and nationwide media attention.

Bloomberg does not want that.

[Smarmie Doofus]

6. He OWNS the media. nt

[aquart]

37. Yup.

[white_wolf]

27. I feel that I should point out something here.

While the police are working class, they are enemies of the rest of the working class, because they have chosen to become the servants of capital. However as Coalition of the Unwilling" rightly points out, they can be rehabilitated if they come to a better understanding of class consciousness.

[coalition_unwilling]

30. Rather than label the police 'class traitors' (which reduces mightily

the possibilities for rehabilitation and redemption), I prefer to think of them as suffering from faulty class consciousness (with the implication that through education and leadership they may be redeemed).

To borrow a trope from Lenin, the police today represent the working class in itself, but not the working class for itself. (I may be translating that poorly from memory.) That same charge can be laid to many in today's working class.

[white_wolf]

32. Fair enough. Perhaps I was being too harsh.

They do suffer from faulty class consciousness and that is something we should strive remedy. I was only trying to make it clear, that despite what we are taught, the police are not our friends.

[Davis_X_Machina]

2. Jay Gould:

"I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."

Same as it ever was. NYC is after all the site of the 1863 draft riots, when the working class did precisely that.

[Smarmie Doofus]

4. Basically the same way he's been running the school system for the last 10 years.

Chaos , brutality, administrative incompetence, official illegality, obliviousness to basic standards of human rights.

These Wall Street DEMOS are coming verrrry close to striking a cosmic nerve.

Hence the hysterical overreaction from the $tatu$ quo.


*Dangerously* close.


K and R.

[aquart]

11. 12th is nowhere near Wall.

[Leopolds Ghost]

19. For non-New Yorkers, it is.

For those who live in Manhattan, well, you have to be pretty privileged to afford to live there.

[msanthrope]

21. No. Not all Non-New Yorkers fail at map reading. nt

[msanthrope]

20. Don't bring facts into this. nt

[markpkessinger]

26. What is your point?

The folks at 12th & University were part of the same demonstration. Some of the demonstrators decided to march to Union Square, and 12th & University could certainly be along the route they chose to take. Is their protest somehow invalidated because they didn't confine themselves to the Wall Street area?

[aquart]

35. No, although I'd never split a crowd.

The last thing you want is thin and scraggly shots circulating.

My comment was geographical because I quite reasonably wondered what a Wall St. protest was doing so far uptown. Did they want to be closer to their dorms?

[Dorian Gray]

41. Maybe

they just wanted to stop to get a bite at Gotham Bar and Grill?

[salin]

5. whoah

k & r

[saras]

7. "Does Bloomberg want his cops to kill somebody?" Yes. Are we supposed to be shocked?

It's WALL STREET they're going after. We raze whole NATIONS for that, right down to bombed, poisoned, landmined rubble.

Yeah, I expect torture and deaths. An ever-increasing number, until they are brought down. Worst case, it will look like another WWI, but only for our side, bodies piled on bodies until the mound of dead keeps them from food, water, and oil.

[WillyT]

8. K & R !!!

:mad:

:kick:

[Fire Walk With Me]

9. They're baiting the protesters into becoming violent, so they can arrest everyone.

[aquart]

38. A peaceful protester who becomes violent deserves to be arrested.

And damn the protest leaders for poor training and inadequate marshals. Do you believe the Wall St. protesters are inadequately prepped?

[Occulus]

43. Here's a volatile addition to that:

These protesters happen to know, in general, that things like that will happen and they're not responding to it.

I expect the police to seriously injure or kill one of them in their escalation. It's what they do.

[aquart]

10. Why was the protest at NYU?

Thank you, NYPD for radicalizing a generation of sheltered darlings who are just realizing they have no future.

[Leopolds Ghost]

17. You sound anti-protesting wall street.

Anyone who works for Wall Street or benefits from the Wall Street economy is inherently sheltered.

[aquart]

23. I don't think my sentences were as unclear as your subject line.

Yet you got them wrong.

[sabrina 1]

29. 'Sheltered darlings'? Did you mean to say 'American citizens

exercising, PEACEFULLY, their Constitutional rights only to be brutally attacked by what is laughingly called (and we NYers do laugh) NY's finest?

Do you consider all American citizens who exercise their Constitutional rights to be Sheltered Darlings?

What an odd thing to see on this forum.

Btw, the NYPD has a long history of bigotry, brutality and cronyism, not to mention corruption. They are currently involved in two major scandals and looking at some of their behavior over the weekend, I expect their abusive behavior is going to cost the city tax-payers even more money they cannot afford.

Bloomberg sent them out to protect his rich buddies on Wall St. and he is too much of a coward to even respond to all the complaints he got this weekend.

On the good side, this kind of footage will only serve to make Americans even more angry and increase the numbers of supporters for the protesters who DID NOTHING WRONG.

I'm stunned to see that comment, frankly.

[aquart]

34. Impressive outrage.

But the venue is NYU and the cost per credit equally impressive. These kids aren't coming from log cabins. Neither have they been asked to fight in our wars as my generation was.

This is a generation raised to know only the privileges and none of the responsibilities of citizenship.

But they are beginning to see that the privileges are being snatched from them. They're waking up.

They may have heard of Kent State, and the day I sat with fellow sheltered darlings in a classroom in our commuter college and seriously discussed the way to make a molotov cocktail, because we didn't know if our government had declared war on its students. Within 24 hours of the Kent State shootings every campus in America was shut down.

Talk is cheap (as opposed to speech, which is money) and easy. But when words are met with violence, something changes. I don't know if these sheltered darlings are outraged enough to stop a war, end the draft, and extend suffrage to 18 year olds like we did, but maybe they can also make their mark.

[adigal]

44. Did any of you ever think some privileged kids want equity for all??

Who were the protestors during Vietnam?? The kids who stayed home, were in college. My experience teaching high schoolers for 20 years is that most kids don't have the beliefs of their parents - not yet. They still want the world to be a fair and equitable place.

[aquart]

45. Wanting is not the same as doing.

I want a diamond tennis bracelet, an iPad, and world peace. So what? It's effortless.

And I was one of the protesters during Vietnam. "The kids who stayed home, were in college." Uh, you do know they were taking our men by number, right? That there was a draft? That boys would eat white rice only for weeks before the physical to throw their body chemistry off? That they fled the country or allowed themselves to be branded gay or mentally ill to get out of war? I knew the boys who did that.

We didn't take to the streets because of "wanting" some nebulous goodness. We were there because our lives, the lives of people we loved, were threatened. And in my crowd, the fathers, the heroes of World War II and the Spanish Civil War, marched beside us.

We've been quite benign about TEN YEARS OF ENDLESS WAR because we haven't been asked to fight. Volunteers and mercenaries have the job.

But the sheltered darlings of NYU have finally encountered physical threat. Wanting is easy. Wanting is nothing. But insisting in the face of genuine opposition? That's a whole new world for this generation.

[Wind Dancer]

46. Oh brother!

:eyes:

[Glimmer of Hope]

12. The cops are out of control!

[aquart]

36. Don't think so.

The footage I saw looked very controlled. The cops didn't look frantic or even much pissed. They were following orders. I would very much like to know what those orders were.

I would also like to know what, if any, was the
trigger incident.

[Scruffy1]

39. Of course the orders came from the head capitalist himself.

Of course he'll have plausable deniability. There was reason he wanted to be mayor. The capitalist are running scared and violence is all they have left if their propaganda machine is failing.

[aquart]

42. Oh, good freaking bloody grief.

He wanted to be mayor because a short Jewish guy isn't going to be president. He wanted to be president. He doesn't know what to do with the rest of his life if he isn't in charge of something.

Really, I can't stand that monolithic pompous twaddle.

[ZombieHorde]

13. I think Bloomberg wants someone to kill one of his cops.

If a cop is killed while beating the shit out of someone, then the press can call the protestors cop killers, and more extreme measures can be taken to quell the protestors.

All they need is a sacrificial lamb. The cop doesn't even need to die, but it would really help, especially if he or she has children.

[theaocp]

15. +1

Your cynicism trumps my pessimism. Well done.

[SwampG8r]

33. they will do it themselves if need be and blame others..its who they are./nt

[Leopolds Ghost]

14. Original Youtube video in link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU9Dx0x9h4A

[Hissyspit]

22. DU Political Forum VIDEO Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x619163

[Puregonzo1188]

16. Everyone needs to watch that video. It is unbelievably shocking.

[Leopolds Ghost]

18. I couldn't tell what the hell was going on. Could the photographer maybe pan back a little?

[winstars]

24. That would have definitely helped

I will ask Superman to fly around the Earth backwards again to turn back time and then I'll tell the photographer (videographer) to back up a little so its a easier for you to tell what's going on...

[Fire Walk With Me]

25. Here you go.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/09/an-important-video-to-watch-pepper-spray-by-a-cruel-and-cowardly-nyc-cop/245629/

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. I think the last comment is wrong, though; it appears that the culprit is the one going to the right

and you can see him tuck something into his right shirt pocket.

[KamaAina]

28. It hardly matters what Bloomberg (the "tiny fascist") wants

the NYPD is overdue for another Amadou Diallo, or Patrick Dorismond, or Sean Bell incident. :scared:

[JVS]

40. Of course he does. When the person in charge of maintaining order says that there are going to be..

riots, you can rest assured that he has those in the works.