China Claims To Have Chosen Tibet's Dalai Lama Since 1653. Must Approve Reincarnation.

[vets74]

Source: Times of India, China Digital Times, Voice of America, USA Today, Associated Press

In the wake of two protest-suicide attempts in Tibet:

BEIJING: An angry China today said that any successor chosen by the 14th Dalai Lama would be "illegal" , days after the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader asserted that he and not Beijing had the right to identify his next incarnation.

"There is a complete set of religious rituals and historical conventions in reincarnation of the Dalai Lama and a Dalai Lama identifying his own successor has never been the practice," Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said. The title of Dalai Lama is conferred by the (Chinese) central government and is illegal otherwise," Hong said, reacting to the Dalai Lama's statement on Saturday on the issue of his succession. "China adopts a policy of religious freedom which includes respecting and protecting the form of succession of Tibetan Buddhism. The reincarnation of any living Buddha , including the Dalai Lama, should respect the religious rules, historical standards and state laws."

"The reincarnation of Living Buddhas has always followed strict historical conventions and religious rituals, and all the Dalai Lamas have been approved by China’s central regime since 1653" as translated from a Xinhua Net article.

The 76-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winning monk had said that if he is to be reincarnated he will leave clear written instructions about the process. The Dalai Lama said in a statement that when he is "about 90" he will consult Buddhist scholars to evaluate whether the institution of the Dalai Lama should continue at all.


Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Dalai-Lamas-succession-plan-illegal-China/articleshow/10135048.cms

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This Chinese history-stretch moves the bars for Concern Troll arrogance and for self-parody.

Xinhua Net (English) article

Fanatical materialism and the Central Committee's offical atheism reach out to "protect" a Tibetan reincarnation process. O.K., fine.

That's going to sell ??? Just how does that work ?

[vets74]

1. Recalling Bertolt Brecht....

This same official, Hong Lei, did another turn as the duty Concern Troll when he addressed the meeting of the Dalai Lama and President Obama in July:

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei Expressing Solemn Position on US President Obama's Scheduled Meeting with the Dalai Lama

Q: According to the website of the US White House, President Obama is scheduled to meet the Dalai Lama on July 16. How do you comment?

A: Tibet-related issues have a bearing on China's sovereignty and territorial integrity. We are firmly opposed to any foreign political figure meeting the Dalai Lama in whatever form. The Chinese Foreign Ministry and the Chinese Embassy in the US have immediately made solemn representations to the US side in Beijing and Washington, D.C. respectively. China urges the US to adhere to its serious pledge of recognizing Tibet as part of China and opposing "Tibet independence", cancel the meeting between President Obama and the Dalai Lama right away and refrain from interfering in China's internal affairs and impairing China-US relations.

What they put to into their press releases... becomes reality. They think that things work that way.

The self-parody goes to asserting that history can be created by fiat. Brecht's "Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny" and its original English language "Alabama Song" mirror this ultimate corruption of power:

Alabama Song

Show me the way to the next whisky bar
Oh, don't ask why, oh, don't ask why
Show me the way to the next whisky bar
Oh, don't ask why, oh, don't ask why
For if we don't find the next whisky bar
I tell you we must die
I tell you we must die
I tell you
I tell you
I tell you we must die

Oh, moon of Alabama
We now must say say good-bye
We've lost our good old mamma
And must have whisky
Oh, you know why.

Show me the way to the next little boy
Oh, don't ask why, oh, don't ask why
Show me the way to the next little boy
Oh don't ask why, oh, don't ask why
For if we don't find the next little boy
I tell you we must die
I tell you we must die
I tell you
I tell you
I tell you we must die

Oh, moon of Alabama
We now must say good-bye
We've lost our good old mamma
And must have a little boy
Oh, you know why.

Show me the way to the next little dollar
Oh, don't ask why, oh, don't ask why
Show me the way to the next little dollar
Oh, don't ask why, oh, don't ask why
For if we don't find the next little dollar
I tell you we must die
I tell you we must die
I tell you
I tell you
I tell you we must die

Oh, moon of Alabama
We now must say good-bye
We've lost our good old mamma
And must have dollars
Oh, you know why.

[dixiegrrrrl]

2. Wow...fascinating info.

Many thanks...

:hi:

[WhiteTara]

4. By their own admission HHDL is the Dalai Lama

they never call him by any other name.

[DetlefK]

3. Taiwan could approve the next Dalai Lama...

(I'm bad and I love it.)

[Chan790]

13. That has some possibility.

It'd be interesting if HHDL declared that the legitimate central government of China was in Taipei City and doesn't care who the next Lama is, effectively turning the Chinese government's pronouncement on its' head.

I have little doubt the RoC would do it too, just to piss-off Beijing.

[Scottybeamer70]

5. There are so many "chosen ones" in the world already.........

might as well add another one. It's getting difficult trying to
keep up with who is important to what religious group. Not that
I really believe any of it..........atheist to the core!!

[vets74]

6. A Member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China ?

Or a more powerful Politburo party chief or vice-premier ?

(CCCPC implies Atheist. So Atheist implies CCCPC member ?)

[bhikkhu]

7. Its very far from being any of my business -

but one of the dangers of setting up such a delusion-based system is that it is very easy to manipulate.

The Dalai Lama has earned my respect, but independence for Tibet should remain an issue separate from the supposed reincarnation of a hereditary ruler.

[Moonwalk]

11. Um...but as he IS a hereditary ruler he is inexorably involved with the issue of--

--Tibet's independence. What I mean is, every nation that argues for its independence is, for the most part, arguing to have that governing body that it wants, not the one being imposed on it by those dominating and controlling it. In the case of the U.S. freeing itself from Britain, this was the desire to vote in their own elected officials--that was pretty much the point, "No taxation without representation." OR as in the case of Vatican City there, having a ruler decided upon by cultural/religious traditions.

Thus, a whole keystone to the argument for independence is that Tibet gets to have their culture, their religion and be governed as they wish to be governed--meaning having a Dali Lama if that's what they're after. You can't really separate one from the other.

And you especially can't separate it with reason and logic. You might as well try to tell a superstitious person to go into danger without his lucky rabbit's foot.

[vets74]

14. In the belief system of Tibetan Buddhists, the Dalai Lamas are one person.

"Hereditary ruler" -- that's a no-no. Both parts of it.

These men are also celibate.

Before the Chinese invasion, it is not clear that Tibet was "ruled" in any sense that matches Western nation states. The country did have serfs. That much of Chinese propaganda is correct. But the serfs could move to towns or cities any time they wanted to.

[Leopolds Ghost]

15. I think the abolition of the office of Dalai Lama would be a huge blow for Tibetan culture

And a victory for China, who would quickly install a puppet in the office.

It's like the Pope declaring that if the Nazis take over from Mussolini, he will step down and let Adolf Hitler choose a new pope.

[vets74]

18. "Delusion-based system" ? Referring to Chinese Communism ?

Well, sure thing.

If referring to Tibetan Buddhism then you would do well to consider their beliefs.

For one thing there is no All Powerful God.

For another, no one is asked to believe anything that they do not believe.

They have tons of reported evidence to support reincarnation. This belief dates back 7,000 years that I know of. Jesus Christ states that John the Baptist was reincarnated, originally Elijah the prophet. Now He would be a heretic for saying that.

Modern Christianity screwed many a pooch. And for most Christians until 553 reincarnation was common stuff.

Galatians 4:19 could not be more explicit: "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you..."

My personal guess is that most of us were roaches within a cycle or two.

[Odin2005]

8. Such blatent lies. Pathetic. No wonder the current Dalai Lama is thinking of abolishing the office.

[saras]

9. I hate to think how much else of China's "history" was created in this manner...

[SpiralHawk]

10. Wow - the Chinese have Republicon Family Values up the wazoo

Following the Republicon model, they just make evil shit up all the time.

This, too, shall pass...

[vets74]

16. The CCCPC are quite old.

I think that they are well intentioned. One thing, they think too much of the Chinese ban on serfdom in Tibet. They have improved ordinary living conditions.

Also, China has invested tens of billion over the years. Irrigation projects have killed zillions of earthworms... to the benefit of humans.

[SpiralHawk]

17. Chinese Imperialist tyrany is dark and destructive

Karma will bite them in the butt for their brutal imperialistic machninations, no matter how many apologists spew on their behalf...

[Metta]

12. Desperate flailing from empty suits.

Do they really believe anyone is going to take them seriously?