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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:02 PM Original message |
My theory / wild-assed guess on the origins of greed |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. Blaming greed for capitalism's failure is like blaming gravity for a bridge collapse |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I did note that competition for food has translated |
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sam11111 (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. "based on" a desire to end all competition. One billionaire will be the end result. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Where does the little red hen fit into your theory? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. "Greed" is the name of the behavior rewarded by capitalism. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Wouldn't it be fair to say greed lead to the forming of the concepts |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I don't know about "fair". |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Maybe I'm crazy but I don't really think there's much daylight between our points |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. My main break is with the thought that this is a universal human trait. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. I don't think that's true. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Well, I don't consider religious books history books. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Religious books may not be history books, but they reflect human behavior |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Is it my memory going or were there also talking monkeys in the Bhagavad-Gita? |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Works of fiction reflect human behavior. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That link states that the Natives had no concept of private property: |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. If there were no such thing as Divine avatars of gods, would they be written about? |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I was speaking of human behavior, not of literal things. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Behavior is a "thing". Qualities are "things". Greed is a "thing". |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Sorry, I now have no idea what you are trying to say. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Ok, I will pare it down to it's most simple point: "caste" is a quality, like "greed"... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
43. Greed is one of many human behavioral traits.. |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. The rise of trade and commerce gave rise to cooperation and innovation... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. The need for communal labor for survival gave rise to innovation. |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. The exchange of goods and ideas through trade did more for survival... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Resource sharing/swapping is not "commerce". |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Trading is not commerce? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Commerce: |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. The trade of goods vs. buying and selling of goods... same thing. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Words have meanings TE. |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I'm more interested in the origin of human behavior... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I guess you are counting on the mods not knowing who F. Hayek is. |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Go ahead and alert the mods... |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. It came with hoarding and the ability to "protect" what one hoarded |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'd say you are about half right |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. competition has always been a part of survival |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. But "competition" within rules and standards. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. yes, I was referring to the OP's theory when competition entered into the equation |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. Greed is about acquiring power over others |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. No dispute here. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
12. The tradition on Turtle Island (North America) |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. If the starving tribe on the other side of the hill had something of value to trade |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. Read The Origins of Political Order: From Prehuman Times to the French Revolution |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
22. It's probably linked to the same thing as food aggression in dogs. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
26. It's all about getting girls. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. There's a limit to that. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
32. My theory on the origins of greed: Some people are assholes. |
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