Pilots march on Wall Street

[tabatha]

[eleny]

1. uh-oh

[Divine Discontent]

87. yeah, uh-oh for the dirty system! Love seeing this!

Solidarity!


http://www.zazzle.com/republicans_2012_keeping_millions_out_of_work_bumper_sticker-128002960205017719

[Suich]

2. Are you serious???

Is that real?

:shrug:

Wow!

[gateley]

9. Almost looks staged, doesn't it? But I found some articles:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/220833/20110927/united-continental-merger-pilots-wall-street-protest.htm

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11260577/1/unitedcontinental-pilots-take-fight-to-wall-street.html?cm_ven=RSSFeed

[October]

85. MORE pictures of the pilots here...

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2011/09/photos-airline-pilots-protest-on-wall-street-on-tuesday-september-27-2011/



Love it!

[defendandprotect]

91. Thanks -- !! Uniforms make the numbers stand out --- !! 700 !!!

[av8rdave]

42. Of course it's real

Over the past 10 years, we've lost over half of our pay, many of us (including me) have lost our pensions that we worked decades for.

[annm4peace]

59. I'm so glad they marched.

It is shameful how pilots been treated. I was so impressed when I heard of then saw the pictures of how many of them came out. Awesome

[oldhippydude]

66. yes

i remember "sullie's" passionate statements.. thanks for your service to us. (the american public)

[defendandprotect]

76. They're stealing pensions faster than they steal health care --

in fact, it also looks like anyone under 50 now won't even ever be invested

in a pension plan -- !!

Let's face it, if we didn't have a Congress which has sold itself to banksters/Wall St.

over decades this couldn't have happened -- !!

Neither were we paying enough attention -- think it's called "diligence" -- though

certainly many like Ralph Nader have been telling us about the buying of government for

4 decades now!


PS: I'm also reading that evidently Global Warming costs over last 20 years is one

motivation behind these steals -- !!

[Samantha]

88. Pilots deserve all of that they USED to get and the benefits as well

I can't understand how anyone underestimates the value of pilots. It is disgusting. Kudos to all of you that showed up.

Sam

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. kr

[CoffeeCat]

4. I smell a revolution...

Is this for real, happening now on Wall Street?

All we need is a few groups like this--perhaps people from the post office, or just more
people in general--and this thing could really take off.

Please let this be true.

[butterfly77]

38. The postal workers were...

there yesterday.

[defendandprotect]

80. Another question as to why GOP attack on Post Office isn't being stopped by Dems???

GOP legislation goes back to '06 -- pre-Dem win --

but Dems had since then to try to do something about it --

[sabrina 1]

48. The Postal Workers were there yesterday. And the protesters

from Occupy Wall Street joined them, as did Jerry Nadler, one of the good guys in Congress.

[markmyword]

95. Keep Them Coming

That's fantastic to see, all those pilots marching on Wall
Street. 

Maybe the  mainstream media will be forced to give coverage to
the Wall Street protests.
Just young people, unemployed young people or students, I
guess don't count where the media is concerned.

Seeing those pilots in their uniforms, 700 of them, makes the
protests on Wall Street respectable, not just a bunch of kids
causing trouble. 

More people in unions should get out there and PROTEST and let
the world know how the unions are being treated by management.
How companies are taking an employees RIGHTS AWAY TO NEGOTIATE
a contract.

We need MORE UNIONS out there on Wall Street. Each day a new
union should be marching and then they should ALL march
TOGETHER, thousands of people ALL IN FRONT OF WALL STREET. 

Where are the FIREMEN and POLICE OFFICERS who are now getting
the shaft from the government?
They should be marching right along side of the protesters on
Wall Street, instead of arresting them for doing nothing.

Maybe, if the Wall Street protesters don't get media coverage,
they should march right over to the T.V stations and
newspapers and make their voices heard.

The pilots COULD REALLY GET THE MEDIA'S ATTENTION   GO ON 
STRIKE !  The public will do anything to get you up and flying
again, that SHOULD get a little coverage and the attention of
Congress.

KEEP PROTESTING AND I HOPE MORE PILOTS FROM OTHER AIRLINES
JOIN YOU.  

[Marrah_G]

5. Is that real?

[midnight]

6. K&R for the pilots... They have had enough too...

[Dragonbreathp9d]

7. Sauce?

[Recovered Repug]

8. The story is here.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/220833/20110927/united-continental-merger-pilots-wall-street-protest.htm

[October]

86. And here...

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2011/09/photos-airline-pilots-protest-on-wall-street-on-tuesday-september-27-2011/

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. Postal workers, the pilots...outstanding!

[Luminous Animal]

14. Occupy Wall Street staged a marched today to support the postal workers.

The postal workers invited an Occupy Wall Street activist to speak.

Nice!

[chill_wind]

11. !!

K & R.

[sam11111]

13. not seen on my local news . censored out i guess

N

[Luminous Animal]

12. And they weren't corralled or maced. Imagine that!

[dkf]

15. Wall Street is responsible for the woes of the postal service?

Why? Because Fed Ex and UPS exist?

And aren't pilots pretty highly paid?

[justiceischeap]

16. Pilots aren't always highly paid

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071213190642AA010a2

The average is $15,000 to start up to around $75,000 (If Yahoo Answers doesn't suit, look around, this figure is a pretty common reply).

[Remember Me]

70. Some of them are actually on food stamps n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

90. It was nearly unbearable to learn of their troubles in Capitalism: A Love Story.

[EstimatedProphet]

17. No, most of them aren't

And Wall street is pretty much responsible for the woes of the entire planet.

[dkf]

18. Yeah which is why the protest has no direction. It's a proxy for discontent with no solution.

[fasttense]

28. A proxy for discontent,disillusion and despair.

But as the teabaggers have shown us, you don't need direction to be successful. What did the teabaggers stand for when they 1st started protesting? Mostly racism from what I could tell of their misspelled signs. Eventually they got a bunch of issues identified with them. But at first they were merely just angry at all things liberal.

Really, unrelenting and determined protest is the only way the status quo ever gets changed. Unions first formed through protests. Gandhi freed an entire nation through protest. The Vietnam War ended through protest. Civil Rights passed through protest. The French Revolution began with protest.

Protest is our last and only solution.

[roody]

34. There are many good solutions. nt

[defendandprotect]

81. Indeed -- reregulation of capitalism = Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime -- !!

[tcaudilllg]

36. It has plenty of direction

Current is behind this. Behind the scenes, that is. It's just in the initial stages. Wait a few more months... they'll have lots more people marching.

[bengalherder]

56. The Declaration of Independance itself is a damn laundry list

What's the deal with the insistence on ONE demand? Those who are demanding a single 'coherent' talking point are raising the bar needlessly high. Most revolutions have multiple grievances which are hammered out by representatives much like the continental congress did in it's day.

Just because you think there is no 'direction' doesn't mean it isn't there or won't form. There are many different groups in this country each with it's own thoughts on the subject. If they are all standing against wall street that's a start. I'm sure the original acts of defiance in Boston in the 1760's and 70's seemed just as unfocused and confusing to the British.

But it's so easy to punch those damn hippie kids, ain't it?

[MedicalAdmin]

96. Good reply but, seriously, it's like talking to a wall.

[fasttense]

24. Yes, corporations traded on Wall Street, deal with banksters on Wall Street

have their knives out for the Postal Service. They want mail service privatized so they can trade it, gorge on it, and then destroy it.

Pilot's pay has been decreasing steadily for the last 30 plus years. Some pilots have to take on a second job to pay their bills. My neighbor's son is a pilot. I congratulated her the other day on her son's success and made the mistake of saying he must be making good pay. Boy did I get an earful.

[spartan61]

53. The pilots weren't the only airline employees

having to take concessions. So did the flight attendants, mechanics, and other work groups. I'm specifically talking about American Airlines. In 2003, the FAs were made to take a 30% reduction in their pay as well as many, many work rules to "save" the airline. Amazing that upper mgt didn't have to take any concessions and have voted themselves bonuses every year since. I would love to see all the work groups from all the various companies who have been screwed by Wall Street protesting. As Michael Moore said tonight as he pointed to the Wall Street Bldgs, "There are more of us, than them."

[SheilaT]

73. Bingo! It could be amazing and maybe even

highly effective if each day a different work group were to march, considering that almost everyone not senior management has at the very least not gotten raises, and many (especially in the airline industry) have given back money.

Just imagine:
Teachers
Nurses
Mechanics
Ticket Agents
Telephone operators
radiologists (they're being outsourced to India)
medical transcriptionists (ditto)
All the people at companies like Sprint who had to train their replacements, the outsourced employees.

And so on.

[Whisp]

26. no they are not paid well.

it is shameful how with the responsibility they have, and that some crew have to have second jobs. It is Not the prestigious and well paying job of years past at all.

I want pilots to be well paid and well rested, as everyone should. It is a matter of safety and fairness.

[deutsey]

27. Democracy Now! had a discussion about this yesterday...

"But many postal workers say the much-touted crisis facing the U.S. Postal Service is not what it seems. They argue the greatest volume of mail handled in the 236-year history of the postal service was 2006. They also point to a 2006 law that forced the USPS to become the only agency required to fund 75 years of retiree health benefits over just a 10-year span, and say the law’s requirements account for 100 percent of the service’s $20 billion in losses over the previous four years, without which the service would have turned a profit."

SNIP

"Well, my union and the people we represented, we opposed it from the beginning, because we saw what was going to happen in our future, because it wasn’t just creating this arbitrary payment that had to be made. It limited the amount of debt that the Postal Service could use, and it also pegged any price increase to the Consumer Price Index. You put those things together, it was dooming the Postal Service. This is a manufactured crisis that was brought about by the same Congress that you’re saying that we shouldn’t go to to correct it. They caused the problem. We have to go to the cause of the problem and then come together and deal with this on behalf of the people who depend upon the Postal Service. As far as the union is concerned, if there’s service to the public, we’ll have jobs. We don’t have to manufacture jobs. The people who want to destroy the Postal Service had to manufacture a crisis."

Gene Del Polito, president of the Association for Postal Commerce in Washington, D.C., was also part of the show giving an opposing view.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/27/shock_doctrine_at_us_postal_service

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. Find the story about how the post office are being forced into a disastrous pension plan

which threatens to bankrupt them, or close.

Smells just like an economic hit...and where would those billions in pensions go if the post office did vanish? This is perhaps like how the banks used bad mortgages to make money even though it fucked everyone else over. Not specifically wall street, but the same bullshit, the same little guy suffering/big guy sucking up billions.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

32. That poster knows of what you speak. Intentional obtuseness is her forte.

[Fire Walk With Me]

45. Ah. Thanks for the warning.

[Doremus]

79. Yes

The poster can be counted on without fail to repeat rightwing talking points.

The burning question is why s/he is allowed to continue to post here.

[dgibby]

83. +1 n/t

[MedicalAdmin]

97. Im guessing second armored sockpuppet squad.

Does that sound about right to you?

[TBF]

40. Oh for god's sake

give it a rest.

[av8rdave]

Not any more

We have lost a tremendous amount, and many of us have lost pensions and benefits.

Remember that a pilot for a major airline puts as much time and effort into getting qualified for job as a doctor or attorney does.

Unfortunately, all we do to insure safe travel is overlooked or taken for granted.

[peacetalksforall]

49. They used to be highly paid (but not unreasonably paid).

[sabrina 1]

51. No, pilots are NOT highly paid, far from it.

Now they may get some attention. As for Wall St and the Postal Workers, yes, they are responsible for them. Wall St. collapsed this country's economy. Then their agents in Government decided that the way to fix it was to make the people pay, especially those who workd for the public sector.

They want to privatize and then own every single entity in this country. Corporations are buying up America. The want to privatize the public schools, the public Libraries, and the Post Office.

[valerief]

75. Ugh! nt

[Odin2005]

19. Love the reference to Sully's emergency landing in the Hudson.

[mod mom]

20. excellent. hat tip to all those involved!

[marions ghost]

21. Pilots

:yourock:

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. Why do they have the same uniform and hat?`

I would think some would be different.

hope its true though.

[Marrah_G]

33. It was United airline pilots protesting a labor dispute

They were not really with #occupywallstreet and just stayed for 10-15 minutes at a prearranged spot, took some pictures and left.

[flamingdem]

23. They need to use a spell checker: queitely - wow nt

[Earth_First]

25. Gee, it would almost seem as though the kids who started #occupywallstreet started something...

Much bigger than they had imagined!

Seems like this is gaining traction...

Any DU'ers care to continue shit talk the kids on Wall Street any further?

:shrug:

[stevenleser]

29. From their own comments and actions, they are staging this as a seperate protest.

They dont consider themselves part of the occupy wall street protest.

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. Ah, but the gist is the same.

[sabrina 1]

52. Occupy Wall St. has now been given the support of at least three

major unions. The movement has spread rapidly across the country into almost every state. The big unions have sent messages to the protesters thanking them for starting the ball rolling.

In just one week more has been accomplished by those few who went out and started this movement than anything else over the past ten years. All the petitions signed, the elections, the calls to Congress, the huge protests, all were ignored, nothing changed much. But soon watching how this movement is growing so fast, I believe either the government starts listening to the people, or there will be a new government.

The Postal Workers cheered yesterday when the protesters joined them and passersby honked their horns in support while others joined them.

The people cannot be ignored forever and it looks like millions of them had had enough and are joining forces to start some real, long-overdue, badly needed changes in this country.

[Fire Walk With Me]

35. I love looking at that picture. All the best to them!

[patrick t. cakes]

37. WOW.

Look, no hippies, the Matlock crowd can get on board now.

[ellisonz]

39. I've been critical of the Wall Street protest.

But they're now drawing in other segments of society - this is what has to happen if it's going to succeed.

[elleng]

41. Judge Grants US Airways' Motion on Labor Issue.

'A federal judge prohibited the pilots union at US Airways Group Inc. from orchestrating a work slowdown that the airline claims has lead to multiple flight cancellations and delays in the past six months and is designed to pressure it in contract negotiations.

Chief Judge Robert J. Conrad Jr. of the U.S. District Court in Charlotte, N.C., entered the order Wednesday following a lengthy period of deliberation after two days of hearings on the airline's request in mid-August. If the pilots flout the preliminary injunction, their union could face fines or further legal repercussions. US Airways sued the pilots in late July.'

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204226204576599142580880816.html

[katty]

43. OMG - this is great!! more in the pool!

[avaistheone1]

44. Extraordinary, Will this be on the evening news?

EVeryday a different group should march down Wall Street to show how they are destroying our country.

Teachers
Doctors
Nurses
Students
Plumbers
Secretaries
Clergy
Farmers
Homeless
and the list goes on and on.

They should go on display on Wall Street in their work clothes as these pilots do, each group carrying their signs about how Wall Street is devastating their industry, occupation, community etc.

Whoa! This is history in the making.

k&r



:kick: :kick: :kick:

[muntrv]

46. Try and pepper spray these folks, Anthony Bologna!

[McCamy Taylor]

47. If crippled war veteran midgets marched on Wall Street, the MSM would ignore it.

[Muskypundit]

93. But get a HUMONGOUS crowd of (10) teabaggers

and it would fill the airwaves.

[Glimmer of Hope]

50. They look like they mean business. This is a great photo!

[Pilotguy]

54. FRONTLINE: Flying Cheap

Anyone who thinks pilots still make a lot of money need to watch this FRONTLINE series:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/flying-cheaper/

[Doc Holliday]

55. It is so gratifying

to see the movement gaining some momentum...especially when you live in a so-called right-to-work state as I do.

I'm hoping it becomes an avalanche...but for the MS/SCLM to be AWOL on this is just incomprehensible. Whichever way it goes. The whole thing ought to be in America's collective face at least as much as our military exploits are. Shit, man, I grew up watching a war on TV every night (and eventually wound up in it...but that's another series of stories). The people need to know, man!

Of course, there's another part of me that's glad there's no overanalysis by network 'experts', no psychologist from Johns Hopkins with a foreign accent to speculate on the motives of the protestors, no Nancy Graces shrieking in our ears about how they should just go home and go back to work, working it to death in the 24-hour 'news' cycle that comfortably numbs so many Americans with the illusion that they're well-informed. In a week it'd be 'old news.'

In the meantime, though, I'm hoping for an avalanche.

[Scruffy1]

62. The revolution will not be televised.

All the schmucks sitting in front of their idiot boxes and listening to the pundit class will be wondering what happened.

[Historic NY]

57. its spreading folks....

[Historic NY]

58. its spreading folks....

[Historic NY]

60. its spreading folks....Some more Unions need to get down there...

especially those whose pension funds were frittered away.

[louslobbs]

61. K&R

Lou

[FailureToCommunicate]

63. Turbulence ahead...

Fasten your seat belts!

[Lucinda]

64. Love the shot

It has power.

[abelenkpe]

65. K&r

Way to go pilots!

[DeSwiss]

67. Still.....

...are they http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2011/09/26/140815394/newsworthy-determining-the-importance-of-protests-on-wall-street">prominent enough to be covered by NPR?

- K&R

[The Backlash Cometh]

68. Nobody is bothering to march in Washington D.C., because

they know who really controls this country.

[Yon_Yonson]

82. We are coming October 6th

October 2011 will mark the start of the 11th year of the invasion of Afghanistan and the onset of the 2012 US federal budget, which provides unlimited funds for war and corporate welfare, yet withholds essential funds for services that meet human needs.

Starting on October 6, 2011, thousands of concerned Americans will assemble in Freedom Plaza, in Washington DC to take control of our country and our lives. We will occupy the plaza and hold a People's Assembly where we come up with just and sustainable solutions to the crises we face and demand that these solutions be presented and that the people's needs be addressed. We will plan and engage in creative acts of civil resistance and demand that our inherent rights and freedoms be protected, and that our children have a chance to live in peace,to breathe clean air, and to grow edible natural food.

Will you stand with us and denounce the systems and institutions that support endless war and unrestrained corporate greed ?

http://october2011.org/

[defendandprotect]

92. Koch Bros. need some attention --- !!!

"Congress is controleld by the oil and coal industries" Al Gore/Rolling Stone this summer!

[Dawson Leery]

69. Wall Street's money "handlers" are responsible for the destruction of

many industries.

[lunatica]

71. Where are the usual suspects who think the pilots are stupid because they don't

have a unified message?

[inna]

72. k&r+135 from me - although the photo does look staged, undoubtedly

(identical uniforms, face impressions, etc. etc.)

Is there a link? Do you think you could post it or refer to the source otherwise? (It's sort of a SOP, after all.)


No regret for my K&R anyway - it's a good thought that counts; Pilots Should be marching on Wall Street AFAIC, even if they're currently not.

[highplainsdem]

74. K&R

[Canuckistanian]

77. Wow, for real?

Pilots STILL get respect, especially after Sullenberger. This should get some attention, IF IT EVER GETS REPORTED.

[Yon_Yonson]

78. More pictures from UK Online

Ladies and gentleman, we are currently cruising down Wall Street because we are fed up with our bosses! Pilots stage protest
By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 9:02 AM on 28th September 2011


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042680/Wall-Street-Protests-Continental-United-Airlines-pilots-fed-bosses.html

[inna]

84. thank you!

[Yon_Yonson]

99. Here is a video: United Continental Pilots Take Fight to Wall Street

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11260577/1/unitedcontinental-pilots-take-fight-to-wall-street.html

[Beartracks]

89. What are they all looking up at? n/t

[Yon_Yonson]

98. Most likely the wall street workers in their skyscraper windows

... hope they made them feel a little uncomfortable! Guess who might be flying you to your next business meeting.

[proverbialwisdom]

94. K&R