Obama the Conservative: Check Obama's Record Against Bush's Record.

[readmoreoften]

www.obamatheconservative.com


Compare this to the Obama campaign's snarky "whatthefuckhasobamadone" nonsense. It's not about what he has done right--the minor tweaks to terrible policies--or what he's failed to do (i.e. give him time!) it's about what he has openly done wrong, the conservative policies he has openly embraced.

You can't be against the worst horrors of the Bush Administration's policies without being against the upholding and, in some cases, an exacerbation of those same policies.

Anyway, at least this website is an intelligent counter to the spin, insulting soundbites, and shallow talking points.

[FiveGoodMen]

1. VERY K&R!

"You can't be against the worst horrors of the Bush Administration's policies without being against the upholding and, in some cases, an exacerbation of those same policies."

Indeed, we can't ... at least we sure shouldn't!

[Tx4obama]

2. Obama has done more for women, the poor, LGBT community, seniors, etc. than Bush ever did

Obama’s 2008 Campaign Promises Kept:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

Long partial LIST (with citation links) of what Obama has done: http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

Lists and graphs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=751914

We All Have a Choice in the 2012 Election
http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2011/09/03/we-all-have-a-choice-in-the-2012-election/

Short List of Progressive Achievements by The Obama Administration
http://shoqvalue.com/short-list-of-progressive-achievements-by-the-obama-administration

So That Ignorance Won't Be The Reason Why "Progressives" Are Throwing The President Under The Bus
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/so-that-ignorance-wont-be-reason-why.html

Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far)
http://obamaachievements.org/list

Obama’s LGBT Chart LIST
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x777350

80 Reasons Why It’s Time To Take These Republican/Tea Party ‘Sons Of Bitches’ Down
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/06/80-reasons-why-its-time-to-take-these-republicantea-party-sons-of-bitches-down/


p.s. And yes I looked at YOUR list, but stopped at the GITMO section - President Obama is STILL working on closing GITMO,since your list got that one wrong there's no use in reading the rest since it is probably FULL of misinformation regarding the others.

[readmoreoften]

45. He's also done more for us than Hitler did. So fucking what?

He's marginally better than a Republican on my issues? Sorry I'm not backflipping that he gives me minor concessions to keep my vote while destroying the nation's civil liberties.

[yardwork]

55. He's still working on closing Gitmo and I'm still working on world peace. Can I get credit now?

I mean, my intentions are good.

[ixion]

3. Obama has upheld the worst of the BushCo neocon policies

despite whatever 'good' things he might have done, they're negated by the numerous list of neocon policies he's embraced.

[slay]

32. +1

at least some people are paying attention.

[ixion]

36. thanks...

yeah, I know what you mean. :toast:

[SugarShack]

61. Me too!

[Poll_Blind]

4. The very worst thing our Democratic President ever did was legitimize Bush's policies by...

..continuing them.

That is simply the biggest smack in the face to me as a human being and as an American citizen after fighting 10 years of mothingfucking George W. Bush and all of his NeoCon fucking friends.

He didn't just let Bush off the hook, he was the only person in the world who could make the filthy Bush policies seem bipartisan. That's a swipe at everything the Democratic Party stands for and it attempts to wash away the most important differences between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to the rule of law and respect for the checks and balances in The Constitution.

And I'll admit it- I never in a million years would have expected that.

PB

[nashville_brook]

28. it was the ultimate "low hanging fruit" -- now it's rotting.

[ProSense]

5. Hmmmm?

"Obama the Conservative: Check Obama's Record Against Bush's Record."

The ACLU praised the Obama administration for ending Bush's torture policies

President Obama Signs Executive Order Widening Government Transparency

WH fact sheet on Guantanamo Executive Order and ACLU response

ACLU: Justice Is Served (Fair Sentencing Act made retroactive)

A Win for Free Speech: ACLU Recommendations Adopted by DHS!


The 2012 alternative is reversing the progress made by President Obama.

Now what was that about Bush?

[Poll_Blind]

6. Rawstory:ACLU director says he’s ‘disgusted’ with Obama's policies

ACLU director says he’s ‘disgusted’ with Obama policies

PB

[ProSense]

8. "June 10th, 2010 "? n/t

[Poll_Blind]

11. You know, the day after June 9th, 2010 and the day before June 11th, 2010

:shrug:

PB

[ProSense]

14. First President ever

to enforce a trade agreement.

[rhett o rick]

20. And you have nothing to rebut except that stupid emoticon. nm

[ProSense]

23. Human Rights First: Obama Praised for Action Plan to Prevent Mass Atrocities, Genocide

Human Rights First: Obama Praised for Action Plan to Prevent Mass Atrocities, Genocide


How about a little anti-Bush: Barack Obama: Foreign Policy Ninja Master

[Poll_Blind]

7. Atlantic Wire: Obama's War on Whistle-Blowers

Obama's War on Whistle-Blowers

PB

[ProSense]

9. Um

"Obama's War on Whistle-Blowers"

...there is no such thing.

[Poll_Blind]

10. Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP ...with video http://www.crewof42.com/cbc/conyers-on-jobs-weve-had-it-lays-out-obama-calls-for-protest-at-white-house/">here

PB

[ProSense]

12. National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare

National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare

<...>

"safety net" opponents were signing pledges to protect tax breaks for millionaires and corporations. That is not fiscal responsibility. Our National Committee members understand this and, thankfully so does our President. The White House has given us a desperately needed reality check offering a deficit plan providing the common-sense balance most Americans know is necessary. President Obama has flatly rejected conservatives' calls to cut Social Security since this program did not create our deficit crisis. In fact, Social Security has a surplus of $2.6 trillion in its trust fund and can pay full benefits for at least 25 more years. Added to that good news is that the President will not recommend raising Medicare's eligibility age - safeguarding healthcare access for millions of future retirees.

<...>

The cheap spin and bs tactics to campaign against the President isn't going to work

[Poll_Blind]

13. Are you saying Conyers was lying?

:shrug:

PB

[Name removed]

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[bluestate10]

15. Another "There is no difference OP".

One has to look at the damage that Bush judicial appointees have wreaked to know that claim is pure bullshit. There is a difference and that difference is huge. President Obama has gotten more progressive legislation through than any democratic President since LBJ.

[readmoreoften]

54. No. A well-organized list of facts that Obama's partisans refuse to address.

Your emotions towards Obama and your insistence on how progressive he is will not convince me. I am convinced by Obama's actions, not your emotional appeals and dismissals.

[SidDithers]

16. Unrec. Dumb fucking post...nt

Sid

[bluestate10]

18. I unrecced it, I never unrec. But the OP is pure bullshit. nt

[inna]

41. Please at least attempt to back your false accusation with a shred of evidence.

[Name removed]

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[woo me with science]

71. +1

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[Number23]

34. Agreed. Anyone who thinks that the

whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com web site is an actual part of the Obama campaign is someone very special indeed.

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

[ProSense]

35. Expect

the OP link to pop up over and over. The interesting thing is most of the sources are media reports and bloggers like Glenn Greenwald.

Media reports that aren't definitive tend to be inaccurate or at least incomplete.

Check the Social Security section on what makes Obama a conservative just like Bush. He appointed a commission and

OBAMA DID…

<...>

During the debt ceiling negotiations in the summer of 2011, Obama again proposed slashing Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, as well as discontinuing a number of social programs — not merely as a compromise with the GOP, but because, in his own words, this would be “fair and balanced,” and because “we can’t afford (these programs) right now.” <217c><217d><217e>

Obama proposed "slashing" Social Security because it would be "fair and balanced"? When?

The entire statement is flawed, and this is listed under "OBAMA DID…"

:rofl:

[Stinky The Clown]

38. This post is as honest as the oft-posted "List"

[ProSense]

39. Hmmm?

"This post is as honest as the oft-posted 'List'"

Question: Did Obama propose slashing Social Security? Can someone provide a direct quote?

The list of the President's achievements isn't a bunch of quotes from media reports and bloggers. It isn't speculation and half truths.

Real actions, not people's opinions about what they thought he did.

[Bluenorthwest]

43. Rec from a voter in the State of Oregon

which counts.

[SidDithers]

64. Yup, your rec counts as much as my unrec...

ain't democracy grand.

Sid

[readmoreoften]

47. Point out where the site is inaccurate. Or are you only capable of sound bites?

So you're arguing against the site? Because all my post does is agree with the site.

[ProSense]

57. Well

"Point out where the site is inaccurate. Or are you only capable of sound bites?"

...here.

You've taken the same speculative reports and twisted a statment by the President about "meaningful changes" to arrive at the conclusion that the President proposed "slashing Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid" (no doubt meaning benefits).

As of today, there have been no cuts to Social Security, none proposed, and the savings proposed for Medicare are not cuts to benefits.

Still, how does this make Obama conservative and equivalent to Bush?

By that logic, Bush was equivalent to Clinton, who proposed cutting these programs in his health care package and spoke of these cuts explicitly. Obama hasn't proposed anything near to what Clinton proposed.

[ProSense]

60. Also

rendition was a Clinton policy initiated before 9/11

Fact Sheet: Extraordinary Rendition

December 6, 2005

Beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to this day, the Central Intelligence Agency, together with other U.S. government agencies, has utilized an intelligence-gathering program involving the transfer of foreign nationals suspected of involvement in terrorism to detention and interrogation in countries where -- in the CIA's view -- federal and international legal safeguards do not apply. Suspects are detained and interrogated either by U.S. personnel at U.S.-run detention facilities outside U.S. sovereign territory or, alternatively, are handed over to the custody of foreign agents for interrogation. In both instances, interrogation methods are employed that do not comport with federal and internationally recognized standards. This program is commonly known as "extraordinary rendition."

The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, however, what had been a limited program expanded dramatically, with some experts estimating that 150 foreign nationals have been victims of rendition in the last few years alone. Foreign nationals suspected of terrorism have been transported to detention and interrogation facilities in Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Diego Garcia, Afghanistan, Guantánamo, and elsewhere. In the words of former CIA agent Robert Baer: "If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear -- never to see them again -- you send them to Egypt."

<...>

This is another policy the President is working to correct. He reversed Bush's expansion of the program.

Again, does this mean Bush was only emulating Clinton? I know Clinton is a moderate, but was he just like Bush?

[xchrom]

19. Recommend

[bvar22]

22. That was fairly damning.

Quotes, Specifics, Policies, Facts.
Hard to argue with this.
The only avenue open is to attack the messenger,
change the subject,
or throw a Hissy Fit.

[ixion]

24. exactly.

[readmoreoften]

48. Ad hominem attacks are what they do. Obama partisans can't deal with facts.

Not those who are voting for him, but the forum leaders of his movement are a pretty vicious and irrational bunch.

[leftstreet]

25. This is so bad we may need Rick Warren to lead us in a moment of prayer

omg
Thanks for this link


'Obama has now indicted as many whistleblowers as all previous presidents combined.'

:wow:

[ProSense]

26. Except

"'Obama has now indicted as many whistleblowers as all previous presidents combined.'"

...it's nonsensical spin related whistleblower cases launched by Bush.

[leftstreet]

27. That doesn't support your claim that the research is 'nonsensical spin'

maybe you meant to respond with a different blue link?

:shrug:

[ProSense]

29. Here

"maybe you meant to respond with a different blue link?"

..."blue link."

[leftstreet]

40. Do you even read your own links?

I've bolded the key words that should have caught your attention

Advocate for Legislation to Reform and Expand Whistleblower Protections. Recently, Congress nearly enacted legislation that would eliminate loopholes in existing protections, provide protections for employees in the intelligence community, and create pilot programs to explore potential structural reforms in the remedial process. The Administration will continue to work with Congress to enact this legislation.

Explore utilization of Executive Branch Authority to Implement Reforms if Congress is Unwilling to Act. Statutory reform is preferable, but if Congress remains deadlocked, the Administration will explore options......

This is fail on a massive scale

As to your second link, that was a violation of Sarbanes-Oxley and unrelated to the OP's link.

I think you're overly tired. You work too hard

[ProSense]

44. Yes

Do you even read your own links?

I've bolded the key words that should have caught your attention

Advocate for Legislation to Reform and Expand Whistleblower Protections. Recently, Congress nearly enacted legislation that would eliminate loopholes in existing protections, provide protections for employees in the intelligence community, and create pilot programs to explore potential structural reforms in the remedial process. The Administration will continue to work with Congress to enact this legislation.

Explore utilization of Executive Branch Authority to Implement Reforms if Congress is Unwilling to Act. Statutory reform is preferable, but if Congress remains deadlocked, the Administration will explore options......

This is fail on a massive scale

As to your second link, that was a violation of Sarbanes-Oxley and unrelated to the OP's link.

I think you're overly tired. You work too hard

...I do read my own links. What I'm not seeing in your response or the highlighted words is a "war on whistleblowers."

SEC Opens Whistle-Blower Website as Dodd-Frank Program Begins

[leftstreet]

46. You need to take the time to read the entire link from the OP

It concerns executive orders and actual legislation

There's nothing wrong with your wanting to refute it, but you need citations of any/all reversals of Admin policies.

[ProSense]

49. Hmmmm?

"You need to take the time to read the entire link from the OP"

What gives you the impression that I haven't read enough to spot most of the BS?

Obama's legislative accomplishments are nothing like Bush's, and to make that claim is preposterous.

[ProSense]

30. Bank ordered to reinstate fired employee and pay $930,000

Bank ordered to reinstate fired employee and pay $930,000

[slay]

31. Thanks for posting this

it is so obvious when you look at his polices that he IS a republican - the usual kind, not the tea-party crazy kind. i'm glad you posted this so people can see, clearly, why i oppose Obama and do not consider him a democrat or a good leader.

[Name removed]

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[mmonk]

37. Interesting. It periodically updates.

I'll check it out deeper for accuracy.

[inna]

42. wow, that's pretty comprehensive. kr

[Starbucks Anarchist]

50. "WhatthefuckhasObamadone" is not affiliated with Obama's campaign in any way.

[readmoreoften]

52. I'm totally sure it's not.

:eyes:

Or you're right. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's just a hack job by an obsessive fan.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

59. You certainly seemed to suggest it was:

Compare this to the Obama campaign's snarky "whatthefuckhasobamadone" nonsense.

But why do you assume it's "a hack job by an obsessive fan"? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, someone has gathered and posted his actual accomplishments for everyone to see? Why does that make someone an "obsessive fan"?

I'm really sick of this attitude that *any* positive mention regarding Obama's record is automatically viewed as some sort of blind hero worship instead of a mature and balanced view. Meanwhile, the never-ending criticism, some of which is predicated upon either out-of-context statements, hyperbole, and sometimes just grade-A bullshit, is viewed as the only true viewpoint.

[unkachuck]

53. K&R....n/t

[Modern_Matthew]

56. Unreccing for the lack of a purpose. nt

[LeftyMom]

62. Stating the obvious truth is it's own purpose, and a damned fine one.

Rec.

[AverageJoe90]

63. Agreed.

It's one thing to be critical of Obama, but the last thing we need is the constant infighting.

[woo me with science]

58. K&R - On virtually all major issues, he functions as a Republican.

We have all witnessed these things first-hand from Day One of his Presidency, but it is still extremely disturbing to see the compilation.

Thank you for posting this site.

[quakerboy]

65. Who owns this website?

I would agree that the Obama supporters oft posted List is mostly filled with misleading info.

Dosnt stop me from wondering who owns this website.

[court jester]

69. who owns this website. ..

http://who.is/whois/obamatheconservative.com


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[Kaleko]

66. K & R

[Tx4obama]

67. Unrec'd. n/t

[deacon]

68. Gabbage. -1

[woo me with science]

70. Kick. nt

[dionysus]

72. blatant anti-dem campaigning on DU reaches new pathetic lows.

:rofl:

[Solomon]

74. Always the same crows.

[Romulox]

73. Let's not forget Obama's escalation of the War on Drugs!

K/R