'The southern U.S. will become almost uninhabitable.”

[Ichingcarpenter]

The nation’s top climatologist, NASA’s James Hansen, has a new paper out — and he has been speaking out. At 350.org’s Moving Planet event in New York on Saturday, he said:



“Climate change — human-made global warming — is happening. It is already having noticeable impacts…. If we stay on with business as usual, the southern U.S. will become almost uninhabitable.”


Hansen also has a new paper out on climate change in which he says:


It is time for all of us to get Tea-Party-angry about what our political system has become and about the intergenerational injustice being perpetrated on young people.





http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/29/332369/nasa-hansen-the-southern-u-s-will-become-almost-uninhabitable/


This guy was on top of global warming in the 80s

[Ian David]

1. Let's hope we're nicer about it than they were at the Danziger Bridge. n/t

[RZM]

2. There are plenty of other places that are close to getting there even without climate change

Yemen for one, where the clock is ticking on the water supply.

If climate change continues, we will see other, more densely populated places experience crisis long before the southern US.

[Javaman]

4. check out what I posted below. nt

[bvar22]

15. The clock is ticking on the water supply to the Central US.

This aquifer dropped 5 FEET! this Summer.
It replenishes at a rate of 1/2" per YEAR.

This aquifer provides water for the Grain & Cattle belt of America,
including the drinking water for millions of Human Beings.
Without it, they are toast.

If the Summer of 2011 is the New Normal,
we are ALL toast.

[RZM]

18. Very true n/t

[tex-wyo-dem]

66. I grew up in the Southeastern corner of Wyoming...

in a farming and ranching community. Many farmers, rural homesteads and towns in the area depend almost entirely on the Ogallala aquifer as a main water source since the area is very arid. What's even more insane is that the PTB are considering the area for fracking for natural gas. So on top of the main water source depleting due to climate change induced drought, it will be poisoned by fracking chemicals :mad:

[cmd]

110. And using thousands of gallons of water in the process

Why can't people open their eyes and see what is happening?

[glinda]

93. and they want the pipeline through there....

[Enthusiast]

123. They do not care.

They believe they will remain safe while the rest of us suffer -this new ruling elite. Apparently they haven't given this enough thought. They think, destroy prehistoric aquifers in the name of profit -no problem. They will learn differently.

[JackintheGreen]

100. But people in these environments

developed ways over time to live in them. Cultures living in deserts developed water harvesting and preservation tech; those in the flood-prone environments of south and southeast Asia developed flood mitigation strategies. But all of these local coping mechanisms have finite capabilities. What is at issue is not that people live in Yemen or the coastal US south, but that too many people do.

This is an oversimplification, but the general outlines are historically sound.

The situation faced now, however, throws anthropogenic climate change into the mix and sadly all bets are off. Local metis is no longer enough to mitigate risks associated with local conditions.

[Javaman]

3. This is what I woke up to this morning...

Drought could last until 2020, state climatologist says

The current drought that has been called the state’s worst one-year drought on record could be just the start of dry spell that could last until 2020, the Texas state climatologist said today.

Water planning, at the state level and with regional water board and river authorities, often relies on benchmarks set by the 1950s drought of record, a nearly 10-year spell. But, John Nielsen-Gammon, the state climatologist and a Texas A&M professor of atmospheric sciences, said the current drought could last substantially longer that what we have planned for.

“Sooner or later there will be a drought that’s worse (than the drought of record),” Nielsen-Gammon said. “The planning needs to be able to cover the bases not just for the worst that we’ve seen but also have a plan going forward in case conditions become worse than that.”

Record low rainfall means the period between October and August was Austin’s driest since records started being kept more than a century ago.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/weather/entries/2011/09/29/drought_could_l.html

____________________________________________

If you never ever felt your heart drop down to your feet, this is the kind of thing that will do it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. Yes its some serious shit and

if you read the article he also blames the media and the anti science crowd

Its a pretty scathing inducement that the powers that be don't want most of the population to become aware.

When Armadillos started moving north in the 70s I knew something was up


The chaotic weather patterns around the globe will continue and worsen.
Its not going away.

[xocet]

71. Re: Armadillos...

How far north have you seen them?

As of this year, I have seen them dead on the roadside as far north as Highway 50 between Kansas City and Jefferson City in Missouri.

[BiggJawn]

75. I have heard that they've been seen in Northern Kentucky

And around Evansville, Indiana.
Figure it won't be long before they get here in the north part of the state. Probably about the time Kudzu gets here.

[xocet]

88. Kudzu in Terre Haute would be interesting...

[Ichingcarpenter]

78. It arrived in South Texas in 1880

The armadillo in particular has been moving northward since it arrived in Texas in the 1880s and Florida in the 1920s, according to Colleen McDonough, a biology professor at Valdosta State University in Georgia.



Some, however, is clearly triggered by a changing climate. Armadillos have settled into southern Illinois, Indiana, Kansas and Missouri - all areas that were "totally unexpected," McDonough said.

They're not the only ones. White-footed mice and southern flying squirrels have expanded their range northward some 140 miles in Michigan, according to University of Michigan biology professor Philip Myers, who described the migration in a recent paper as "an unusually clear example of change that is likely to be the result of climatic warming."


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=armadillo-moves-north-across-warmer-north-america

[xocet]

86. Thanks for the link. n/t

[BiggJawn]

102. White-footed mice were in Central Indiana almost 50 years ago.

Peromyscus Leucopus... Amazing how I remember that from 6th-grade Science class... They were common, because we lived in an almost-rural area of the 'burbs. Never saw a Mus Musculus until I moved into the city proper.

[RC]

10. Fracking anyone? Or how about more irrigation because of the lack of rain?

Mother Nature has not even started to rid herself of the parasite known as Human Beings. Just you wait.
Do you want to eat? Drinking water? Or heat to keep from freezing to death? Pick one, only one. There is not enough water in the water tables for any more than just one choice. Mass extinction anyone?

[justabob]

32. I read that this morning too

It does take your breath away. I can't go through another summer like this one. I have been here for most of my 40+ years and I don't remember anything like it, even 1980. If we string together 3-4 more summers/years like this one back to back, there will certainly be an exodus out of here, on top of lots of people, animals and plants dying. It is awful.

[Gman]

55. Agreed. 1980 was a bad summer, but 09 was worse

And I've never in my lifetime experienced a summer like this one. I couldn't even make myself go outside yesterdayand mow from what little rain we've had even though it was only in the low 90's.

[xmas74]

58. My town has quite a few homes for sale at rock bottom prices.

(Not kidding-a few for around 30 grand.)

But really, something needs to be done. The heat here was intense, so much so that I couldn't allow an eleven year old on the swim team to actually attend her practices. It was far too hot for that kind of exercise. And parts of my garden were actually scorched this year.

There's definitely something wrong.

[dotymed]

48. Reminiscent of the dust bowls

of the "Great Depression."

We have been in a greater depression for years, I hope the dust bowls don't get worse...

[leeroysphitz]

49. "Water planning, at the state level" That sounds like a socialist ponzi scheme.

[Hubert Flottz]

107. When all the ground cover and it's root system burns away...

the next thing to go will be the top soil.(from wind erosion)

The same kind of thing happened here in West Virginia about 1900. The clear cutters cut down all the timber, the fires burnt up the rest of the ground cover and the rain eroded away the top soil down to rock. It has taken years for our landscape to regenerate and we've had water and moderate weather. The "EXPERTS" are in it for the quick buck. Let Gawd sort out the little shit, like no place to live. Now the strip miners are attacking our mountains again. And the democrats and republicans both think that "Mountain Top Removal" mining is a great idea. Mother Earth can't win in her battle with these money crazy "EXPERTS".

[Hestia]

117. Great :( Texans migrating...makes Inconvenient Truth prophetic doesn't it

Just for different reasons - drought vs. sea level rise.

(I can bitch about Texans especially if they come here - they've literally tried to take our water twice through lawsuits, as if they are kings or something. Thank Goddess they lost because they wanted DeGray Lake in Arkadelphia, along with another lake.)

[Ishoutandscream2]

5. Ah, a wet dream for many DUers

They've wanted this region to disappear for quite awhile. Looks like they'll get their wish.

[ohheckyeah]

28. And all those southerners will just move north. n/t

[JDPriestly]

79. But they just may decide to believe in science before they do.

So, maybe it wouldn't be that bad?

[Arugula Latte]

157. A lot of them will just say "Gawd did it."

Magical thinking is so much easier than reason, ya know?

[glinda]

95. leaving less competition after killing people with cuts to programs and theft of monies.

[WinkyDink]

39. Are you a Climate-change Denier?

[Firebrand Gary]

47. Ugly statement, I don't feel that way. The South is beautiful, i'd hate to see it destroyed.

[bluestate10]

60. We won't have to fight and win another Civil War. nt

[kestrel91316]

91. DUers have no inherent problem with the region called the South.

We DO have a problem with the RW subspecies of Southerners. We'd much prefer that they stay right where they are, and that requires a liveable climate.

[Just One Woman]

108. Not all southerners are right wing

Those of us that are not are fighting the battle on the front lines. I already have my bags packed should I need to pick up and move to escape.

[kestrel91316]

131. Where did I say they were?

[devilgrrl]

101. Nice broad brush statement!

Feel better?

[Supersedeas]

149. lots of broad brushes being deployed here these days

[MedicalAdmin]

109. The region will still be there.

Less inhabitable. Looks like your Gov is going to get his wish for a the area to find it's own way...

[Enthusiast]

125. We only want the ignorance to disappear.

Too many in Texas and Ohio celebrate ignorance. Ignorance is no longer funny when it is ruining the nation.

[lunatica]

6. Northern Mexico and the Southern US states will be another Sahara Desert

[mnhtnbb]

7. Very scary.

[MilesColtrane]

8. I've got news for him.

Texas was almost uninhabitable this summer already.

[Pacifist Patriot]

11. Well according to the folks in my office, we don't have anything to fear.

It's all a liberal plot. There is no scientific evidence to back it up. And what is being put forth as evidence is actually an ideological conspiracy on the part of some scientists who are ridiculed by the mainstream scientific community. We know this because we were supposed to get huge freaky storms after Katrina and look, nothing.

And these are such sweet people who are seemingly intelligent in other areas. I honestly don't get the cognitive dissonance required here.

[safeinOhio]

13. Tell em we have

cool fresh great lakes water for sale at $80.69/barrel today. Open to trades too.

[Enthusiast]

126. They will get it anyway.

Citizens in the Southwest have already suggested piping water to Arizona to fill their pools and irrigate their fields.

[freedom fighter jh]

42. My neighbor tells almost the same story as do folks in your office

But for him it's not ideology but a control fetish. Someone has made up this hoax about climate change as an excuse to control everything you do.

[defendandprotect]

76. Our Goebbels' style corporate-press -- don't ever discount RW propaganda -- it works !!

[Puget Progressive]

98. This is the crap peddled by Limbaugh

and his odious ilk. I wish I had a time machine because I would use it to go forward 100 years and see Limbaugh's estate in Palm Beach with the Atlantic Ocean in his front yard.

[MedicalAdmin]

111. I would go back in time.

And it won't take 100 years. He isn't that old.

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[glinda]

14. Real estate in cooler parts of the Country are getting bought up. Most likely by Rich Corporates.

[dotymed]

50. I keep wondering about those land purchases

made by "W', Cheney, Rice,etc.. Was that in Paraguay? Do they know about why that might be a climate "safe zone" soon?

[mainegreen]

16. So will Maine.

You think the bugs are bad now.


>:/


Seriously though, rainfall pattern changes are going to mess a lot up over the next 100 years.
Yay water wars.

And Canada, you better protect those Great Lakes, or else the US will try and drain them.

[mainer]

44. bugs are awful this year! Esp. the Japanese beetles

it seems our gardens are being ravaged worse than usual.

[bvar22]

140. And we have almost NO bugs in West/Central Arkansas.

It has been too dry.

I can sit outside in nothing but cut-offs at twilight
and not receive a single mosquito bite.
That is almost incomprehensible for the South in Summer.
NO mosquitoes.

We have had to feed our Honey Bees all Summer to keep them alive.
The HEAT/Drought killed all the clover and wild flowers in early June.

The only bugs that seem to have done OK are the Squash Bugs.
We had more of them than usual.

[glinda]

92. I think they are already draining them? They are going down. U wonder why

the Conservatives have gained control all around them. They were really made that Dayton won in MN. Although Craavack (R) has that area now and mining is going crazy. He wants even more.

[Uncle Joe]

17. Hansen's criticism of the corporate media reminds me of Rachel Carson's

book title "Silent Spring."

Climatologist Slams Media for “Silent Summer”: Poor Coverage of Link Between Extreme Weather and Human-Caused Climate Change

(snip)

Silent Summer

There is ample evidence of growing climate disruption. But despite record or near-record heat and drought in the United States this past summer with simultaneous extreme flooding, and despite comparable extremes in China and elsewhere, there has been little public discussion of the connection of these climate extremes with human-made climate forcing.

The media are partly responsible for the silent summer, as they have mainly chosen not to examine connections between climate anomalies and human-made causes. A cynic may ask whether their silent summer is related to increasing right-wing control of media and large advertising revenues from fossil fuel companies. Regardless of reasons for media silence, should scientists be making more effort to draw public attention to the human role in climate anomalies?

Scientists face one long-standing obstacle to public communication and one new factor. The old difficulty arises from limits on our ability to detect expected change in a chaotic climate system, especially concerning the significance of specific regional events. The new factor is the likelihood of being pilloried for reporting evidence of a human role in climate change.

Thanks for the thread, Ichingcarpenter.

[tex-wyo-dem]

34. "Human-made climate forcing"....

Is a pefect way to put it.

[defendandprotect]

77. JFK was certainly paying attention -- 1960's Dem Platform called for nationalizing oil industry... !

JFK was ending the oil depletion allowance --

JFK and Rachel Carson were very soon no longer with us -- !!

[truedelphi]

19. I have noticed that almost without exception - the areas where

There have been a heavy pattern of drought have been areas where Corexit was sprayed. (The one exception would be Western Texas, where there usually is drought-like conditions.)

How come the drought impacted areas follow right along the Gulf of Mexico?

That is very man-made, in my book. And not related to fossil fuels as much as the Obama's EPA decision to spray Corexit, a very untested product all around the Gulf, and it was sprayed all along the southern most areas of the Gulf States.

Even though industry experts outside of BP stated repeatedly that there were at least a dozen other products much less harmful, and more effective.

[MsFlorida]

68. corexit

while the corexit was being sprayed, myself and a few others could not stop the nosebleeds. corexit stops being sprayed -- nosebleeds stop.

that stuff is deadly. makes you really wonder what it has done to the earth

[defendandprotect]

83. If we truly understand, EPA officials, Obama and BP should all be in jail -- !!

[glinda]

97. same chems used in animal enemas also....

[defendandprotect]

82. I'm sure COREXIT was deadly harmful and still is -- however Global Warming ....

needs no assist in creating droughts/floods -- or earthquakes!!

South may be uninhabitable due to droughts -- but at the same time many areas in NE

are flooding --

We're no longer getting rain one or two days at a time --

We're getting rain for a week at a time -- and heavy, flooding rains --


Sadly, generations of Americans expected their Congress and elected officials to look out

for the general welfare -- and some still haven't woken up to the fact that at the very same

time the Congress was SELLING themselves out to the very capitalists/corporatists

who created this disaster -- and for what -- dollar bills!!


"Congress is controlled by the oil and gas industries" -- Al Gore/Rolling Stone-June


Money simply represents a way to amass power -- to have control over others -- and not

in a good way!




"The loveless crave powe rbecause they lack both love and self" --

somewhat related imo --

"The human self defines itself and grows through love and work --

all psychology before and after Freud boils down to that -- "

Betty Friedan

[truedelphi]

141. But is it possible that since various climate experts stated that

The usual sea curents stalled starting with last year's heavy inundation of the Gulf, as it was beleagured by both oil and Corexit, that the last eighteen months of climate change in our southrern states, and evn going on up to New England are related to that Oil Spill event, and not to the overall global situation?

Much as in the early nineteen nineties, a single volcanic event caused the earth's climate to cool down for a year or two, urnelated to humankind's activities?

[defendandprotect]

143. Interesting re the "sea currents stalled" -- and something I don't think I've heard before ....

Of course, anything is possible re increasing the impact on the drought --

However, didn't the drought in those areas begin before the spill -- ?

And Global Warming had already been moving hurricanes further north which is increasing

flooding problems in NE.


Much as in the early nineteen nineties, a single volcanic event caused the earth's climate to cool down for a year or two, urnelated to humankind's activities?

Volcanic activity is related to humankind's activities --

Glacier melting is causing more earthquakes and more severe earthquakes --

That's why the government in Fukushima wanted to close down their nuclear reactors

6 years or so before the current problems --

and it was because of age of reactors and because Japanese scientists were reporting

increasing seismic activity -- the reactors were built to withstand 7.0 earthquakes --

the earthquake that caused the problems was 9.1 --

Earthquakes, in turn, generate new volcanic activity --



Will try to follow for more info on the Gulf currents stalling --


But also think that nuclear fallout, heat will pick up some of the corexit from the Gulf

and then dump it down elsewhere in the form of rain.

[defendandprotect]

146. Found this --- Gulf Loop Current Stalls from BP Oil Disaster -- !!!

Gulf Loop Current Stalls from BP Oil Disaster

August 1, 2010

July 28, 2010 -- The Day the Loop Current Stalled --

Oceanographic satellite data now shows that the Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico has stalled as a consequence of the BP oil spill disaster. This according to Dr. Gianluigi Zangari, an Italian theoretical physicist, and major complex and chaotic systems analyst at the Frascati National Laboratories in Italy.

He further notes that the effects of this stall have also begun to spread to the Gulf Stream. This is because the Loop Current is a crucial element of the Gulf Stream itself and why it is commonly referred to as the “main engine” of the Stream.

The concern now, is whether or not natural processes can re-establish the stalled Loop Current. If not, we could begin to see global crop failures as early as 2011.



http://www.examiner.com/breakthrough-energy-in-national/gulf-loop-current-stalls-from-bp-oil-disaster

[defendandprotect]

147. BP spill now widely regarded by many as "Oil's Chernobyl" ... !!!

Zangari's concern --

" ... should the Loop Current fail to restart, dire global consequences may ensue as a result of extreme weather changes and many other critical phenomena. The repercussions of which could trigger widespread droughts, floods, crop failures and subsequent global food shortages."

Continue reading on Examiner.com Gulf Loop Current Stalls from BP Oil Disaster - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/breakthrough-energy-in-national/gulf-loop-current-stalls-from-bp-oil-disaster#ixzz1Za8mYINY

[truedelphi]

142. Oh and here is URL link to the map from the site I am referring to:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/drought/

I set it up to show the month of August 2011.

And it was amazing to me to see the correlation between the drought and those areas that were affected by Corexit spraying.

Also Note: the white area is drought too - though you would think they would use traditional, indicating colors (like various reds and majentas and oranges) rather than white to indicate drought.

[defendandprotect]

144. Thanks for the info --- and usually someone with stronger knowledge on these

conditions will pop up and help us out --

However, note from the link that you provided ---

•On a broad scale, the 1980s and 1990s were characterized by unusual wetness with short periods of extensive droughts, whereas the 1930s and 1950s were characterized by prolonged periods of extensive droughts with little wetness (moderate to extreme drought graphic, severe to extreme drought graphic).

•According to the weekly U.S. Drought Monitor, about 33 percent of the contiguous U.S. (about 28 percent of the U.S. including Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico) was classified as experiencing moderate to exceptional (D1-D4) drought at the end of August.


And Global Warming will continue to bring more droughts/floods, storms, hurricanes, cyclones,

tornados -- and earthquakes -- and all with greater intensity.


As many have pointed out -- had we never engaged in "bus-i-ness" to create profit for the few,

we would be way ahead in having preserved nature and our environment and our ability to live on

this planet.

[truedelphi]

153. I have never known of drought to occur in an American coastal area.

Before this.

I know that the History Channel (or maybe Discovery) had a one hour special on the "Driest" place on earth, which focused on a desert on the Pacific side of So America. There were continuous unusual thermal layers in the atmosphere above this desert.

Our nation now has the technology, at least in theory, of creating this style of thermal dryness in a near to shoreland atmosphere. What is involved is pulling in the usual ocean moisture, over the land, but passes it up and into such high levels above the shoreland that the moisture continues into the heartland of the continent, without offering nay moisture up to the seashore and for miles inland.

[defendandprotect]

156. Interesting point -- and ....

re your second paragraph ... are you talking about artificial technology -- ?

[enki23]

150. now *there* is a conspiracy theory ridiculous enough to challenge the "chemtrails" people

.

[Ernesto]

20. "The southern U.S. will become almost uninhabitable.”

For many of us, it already is!

[cordelia]

24. And the South bashing begins. . .

[ldf]

52. as does the persecution complex

[cordelia]

132. Just a response to blatant bigotry.

edit: typo

[NutmegYankee]

53. And southerners bash Yankees daily.

What a persecution complex.

[defendandprotect]

84. From Nixon to Bush, RW has been at war on North East -- NYC, etal --

Meanwhile, the NE has been suffering the other side of this problem -- flooding!

[Creideiki]

81. Awwww...poor South.

The Southern states have been physically bashing people for generations and now some verbal teasing hurts the widdle feewings!

[flamingdem]

26. Southern California has been saved so far by a cooler than usual ocean temp

but that's about to change.

[abelenkpe]

89. Two years of mild weather

It even rained yesterday. Havent had to use air conditioner or heat What makes you think things are about to change?

[kestrel91316]

94. It already HAS changed. The last two summers have been so cool it's

downright bizarre.

Not cool in the normal sense of the word, but non-hideously hot.

[Obamanaut]

38. Perhaps now more of the snowbirds and other interlopers will return to

the areas from whence they came.

[WinkyDink]

40. And, one hopes, take their spending money with them.

[Obamanaut]

43. But the sad truth is, they won't leave.

[JDPriestly]

80. They don't generally bring much anyway. Usually they come to get jobs

that don't exist.

[NutmegYankee]

54. The climate change predictions also call for more northern snow

The older folks will still seek to escape the bitter cold and snow.

[bluestate10]

61. More water for us. We need to set up a blue state guard to protect our water. nt

[EmeraldCityGrl]

90. So, Al Gore doesn't sound like such a loon

anymore, huh Tpublicans. :sarcasm:

[Liberal Veteran]

134. As someone born and raised in Georgia, I find no bashing in that.

I love the state. I love its climate. I love its natural beauty.

But as a gay man who is educated and liberal, it has a political climate that I just could not abide.

[kentuck]

21. I read someplace that the North Pole and the South Pole had switched positions...?

in the last 100 years? Normally, it would have taken 1000 years. Anybody else read about that?

[Ichingcarpenter]

29. The Super Wave theory

causing magnetic field disruptions.

I think the study on Antarctic ice cores back up some of the theory.

[AverageJoe90]

36. It's probably complete bullshit.

Sorry, but this has largely been confined to the fringe conspiracy sites from what I've seen.............y'know, David Icke, and all them?

[kentuck]

96. Yeah, probably.

Sometimes it's difficult to find experts on this topic, only theorists.

[Enthusiast]

127. This has happened many times.

Nothing to be alarmed about. We can see the change in the geological record.

[markbark]

22. Indeed, it already is

There's far to much religion down there to be conducive to good mental health.

--MAB

[flamingdem]

23. Hansen is a sage telling humankind what will befall us

.. finally at least some are listening.

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. I can believe that, after this past summer in Tx. It is still hot here. I want out!

x( My tea party neighbor thinks Global Climate change is a liberal conspiracy. But then he listens to Glen Beck :eyes:

[TBF]

33. Same here - looking for the right opportunity. nt

[Harmony Blue]

27. Unrecommended

Too much hyperbole

[Ichingcarpenter]

30. Yes those NASA scientist tend to do that.n/t

[Harmony Blue]

65. So how do people cope that live

in NE U.S. or Canada?

Hyperbole like this in the original post gives a black mark to all that study science.

[Ichingcarpenter]

69. About Hyperbole James E. Hansen who said this

James E. Hansen (born March 29, 1941) heads the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, a part of the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.

He has held this position since 1981. He is also an adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University.

I think you need to read up on his 'science background before saying he doesn't know what he's talking about and its hyperbole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen


What you can do? Make people aware of the truth and data.

[NutmegYankee]

70. What do you mean cope?

It's easy. Wear more layers in the winter, and open the windows in summer.

[liberation]

115. Or perhaps "hyperbole" does not mean what you think it does...

[defendandprotect]

87. If you truly understood Global Warming and its threat ....

you'd understand that there is still too little alarm at what is happening!!

[fascisthunter]

99. people like you endanger us all

by not taking this seriously.

[lonestarnot]

118. gas much?

[truebrit71]

31. I thought it was already...

...if you weren't a knuckle-dragging rethuglican baby jeebus worshipper....:evilgrin:

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. States in trouble according to the data

“Clear presentations of the data should help the public appreciate the situation as global warming continues to rise further above the level of natural variability.”

Here’s a step in that direction for describing abnormal drought:

The national US Drought Monitor map now includes other categories of drought along with the degree of severity or exception.


Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Oklahoma, Georgia, southern Nebraska, and a patch of Nevada are SL; agriculture, grasslands hydrology, and ecology are all affected.
http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

[HereSince1628]

51. An unfortunate consequence of being near latitude 30 north

which experiences persistent high pressures due to falling air (with adiabatic heating and low humidity) at the north side of an atmospheric Hadley cell. Although deserts in N. Am. are largely influenced by orographic effect (rainshadow), climate warming will extend these persistent highs (and associated rainless weather).

If you watch annual animations at the USGS drought monitor you can see the rainfall shortages accumulate seasonally under this area from Az/NM east to northern FL.

[Zax2me]

37. Terra terra terra!

Follow the money.
The global warming industry is a multi-billion dollar a year industry.
Corporate fucks.

[The Wizard]

41. Does this mean

the Confederacy will be left to stew in its own juices?

[bluestate10]

62. I vote for that. nt

[Firebrand Gary]

45. Uninhabitable? Hey we don't want those climate change deniers coming to our states either.

Unless they all decide to migrate to Wyoming. They can have Wyoming.

[bluestate10]

63. Yea. Send them to Montana,Wyoming, South Dakota. Let them fuck those places up. nt

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[alfredo]

56. Kick and recommend

[Faygo Kid]

57. And sooner rather than later.

DC is already uninhabitable in the summer, and I can vouch for that - worse every year.

Texas is already gone, from what I saw this year, but the dittoheads will continue to worship Rush and send money to Palin believing that either cares an iota about them.

[bluestate10]

59. Time for blue states to build a wall. BUILD THAT DAMNED WALL!!! nt

[Doc Holliday]

64. From what I see on the Weather Channel

living up North, especially New York/New England, is not exactly paradisical either. All that rain and flooding....

[defendandprotect]

67. Surprised they haven't "cancered" or "suicided" Hansen yet -- !!

But a little disappointed to see him use the Frank Luntz "climate change" euphemism --

It's about Global Warming -- the HEATING up of the atmosphere which creates chaotic

weather --

And -- as someone put it -- as long as the glaciers are still melting, it's like having

your freezer door open --


Meanwhile, certainly the public has known about Global Warming since 1957 --

Global Warming -- and Rachel Carson/Silent Spring kind of arrived together -- and JFK

was paying attention.

All in all, obviously scientists have known about this much longer than 1957 --

In fact, scientists recognized the damage being done to nature/trees specifically in the

late 1880's as the Industrial Revolution began to take its toll --

Next uptick was in the 1940's based on build up for the war -- and also seems to be when

the glaciers started melting.


Melting of the glaciers is creating more earthquake activity -- and more severe earthquakes.

We have seen what has happened at Fukushima and we should be shutting down our nuclear

reactors.

If anyone thinks that capitalists/corporatists will behave in any way other than suicidally

in response to these issues -- they should consider how we actually reached this point and

the true suicidal insanity of capitalism/corporatism!!



Arctic melting --

There was a new report yesterday but can't find it at the moment -- this will have to do

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/11/arctic-ice-melting-at-fastest-pace


Effects that they didn't expect until the END of this century are happening right now -- !!

[Scout]

72. border fence at the Mason-Dixon Line ... ya'll can stay away from

our Great Lakes Water!

[sce56]

73. K & Net recommendation: +99 votes (Your vote: +1)

The climate change deniers say just another La Niña year just like the past one! Except we were told in the summer of 10 that the west coast would feel the effects of La Niña which meant warmer dryer weather in So Cal. Lots of records were set alright Rainfall and lower than normal temps. The upcoming winter is supposed to be another La Niña this season coming. We are truly in trouble. The only thing that makes sense is the Oil Barron's are from Texas seems appropriate they experience the effects first!

[sce56]

74. K & Net recommendation: +99 votes (Your vote: +1)

The climate change deniers say just another La Niña year just like the past one! Except we were told in the summer of 10 that the west coast would feel the effects of La Niña which meant warmer dryer weather in So Cal. Lots of records were set alright Rainfall and lower than normal temps. The upcoming winter is supposed to be another La Niña this season coming. We are truly in trouble. The only thing that makes sense is the Oil Barron's are from Texas seems appropriate they experience the effects first!

[caseymoz]

85. I'm not saying this is good, but . . .

It certainly will undermine the conservative heartland that has been most stubborn in resisting knowledge of global warming. There is lucky justice to it as compelling as anything biblical.

And it is helpful in future politics that liberals, progressives and environmentalists have been right about this all along.

I hope we have a future.

[Taverner]

103. Oh fuck, that means they're coming HERE

[caseymoz]

124. Yes, but on the bright side

Their conservative votes will be diluted. They won't be able to dominate the Senate. They'll be forced have to rely on handouts from the very programs they hate.

[Taverner]

135. Perhaps we can force them to leave the guns and god at home...

[txwhitedove]

154. Never. I'll stay here til I dry up and blow away. Funny thing is that during the economic downturn

of the late 1970's early 1980's, the Northerners came down here in droves and most stayed.

[rury]

104. Another reason that I cannot wait to leave Texas and head northeast

[progressoid]

105. Rec.

[Kurovski]

106. K&R. (nt)

[bongbong]

112. Teabaggers

A lot of teabaggers, repigs, conservatives & other traitors to America live in the South. Guess who they'll blame for the warming? You get three guesses & the first two don't count.

Trust me. They ALWAYS figure out a way to blame Liberals for all their own messes. I can hear the whining as clear as day, even though it won't happen for 5 or 10 more years:

"Why didn't the gov't DO something??? Why is the gov't so understaffed??? WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!"

[Crunchy Frog]

113. They'll think it's the Tribulation before Armageddon, and will be happy about it.

[Enthusiast]

128. This is true.

[JohnnyRingo]

114. Conservatives constantly harp about the "debt we're leaving our grandchildren".

But they remain unconcerned about the environment they'll inherit.

It's glaringly obvious that they hold corporate interests so dear they don't even care about whether those precious grandchildren live above ground.

[Enthusiast]

129. "they remain unconcerned about the environment they'll inherit."

And the infrastructure. And the education deficit.

[Zax2me]

116. This guy Hansen has his detractors.

Including former bosses and has little to no support from former co-workers -
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320

He also wondered if he could make a citizen's arrest of OBAMA, yet I don't remember any such speculation about little bush from him.

He's also on record in 1971 for supporting the global COOLING theory.

Best ask for a STD record before sliding into bed with questionable people.

Leaning on this guy for man-made global warming 'proof' is like leaning on a blade of grass for support.
Un-Rec.

[Viking12]

120. Really? You believe the lies at Inhofe's propoganda site?

Everything you wrote are long debunked lies. For cripe's sake, use a little critical thinking and research the truth.

He WAS extremely critical of Bush

Theon was NOT his boss nor his supervisor.

Hansen did NOT support "global cooling theory."

[Ichingcarpenter]

122. So says:Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,'

Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show


Your 'guy' who wrote that makes me think a lot of you and your goals at DU.

Morano was an original swift boater


from: Right Wing Watch and his links and distortions, track history, financing and lies.

see here:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano

This is your guy...... geez.

[Enthusiast]

130. Curious post............nt

[sandyj999]

119. They can't move here there are no jobs and.................

you can only be on welfare for four years. The Repug governor says so.:sarcasm:

[TNLib]

137. It's about uninhabitable now between the tornadoes and tress falling everywhere.

My mom just had a tree fall on her house 2 weeks ago due to heavy rains and wind. My house was damaged by fallen trees back in april and they just demolished a house on my street because a large tree smashed it in half.

Before this year there was only 1 tornado that I could think of in the past 10 years that did any damage. Now it seems like they hit all the time.

[DFW]

121. I wonder if I can use my partial NY ancestry

Apply for a permit to come back "heim ins Reich?"

Texas WAS kind hot this past summer.........

[Manifestor_of_Light]

133. I got no place to go and I'm a native Texan.

We're not all rightwing turdbuckets.

I'm a third generation Democrat. My grandmother voted for Roosevelt, my dad voted for Norman Thomas in 32.
My parents and I were very active in Democratic politics. They campaigned for Truman and Stevenson and Kennedy.

[Paladin]

136. The DU Texas-Haters Are Here To Stay.

Let them stew in their own hate-drenched, bigoted juices. I thought that Houston's electing an open-and-proud lesbian mayor might change things around here, but it didn't. The fact that 3.5 million Texans voted for Obama doesn't make a damn bit of difference to these people. So it goes.....

[Bryn]

138. +1000

So sad that some DUers are still bashing the South. It just shows how ignorant they are. This thread should be about global warming and what to do about it, not South bashing. What a shame.

[KamaAina]

155. Molly Ivins, Ann Richards, Jim Hightower, Willie Nelson,

Sheila Jackson Lee, Lloyd Doggett, Bill Moyers, LBJ.

There. That oughta shut 'em up for a while.

[TxIndVoter]

139. Much of Texas is blue state territory

That's what some don't seem to realize. The southern part is the "least southern" so to speak.

[w8liftinglady]

148. same with my partner and my ex

literally generations of Democrats...union,proud, and as dedicated as they come.
I'm a military brat,so I don''t really count- but my mom hung with GOOD Dems in West Texas when Ann Richards was governor.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

151. I knew Billie Carr personally.

She started the Harris County Democrats in 1956 when the Democrats went for Eisenhower, and the liberals were disgusted.
I also heard about Frankie Carter Randolph, who was a rich woman who started the Harris County Democrats with Billie Carr.

And I knew Martin Elfant who was the button maker and seller for the Democrats. He was a real character and he had some fabulously funny buttons.

I have a sterling silver Adlai Stevenson tie tack that is a shoe sole with a hole in it (if anyone knows about the famous pic of the bottom of his shoe with a hole in it). He told me back in the 1980s it was worth $150.00.

For this I won a contest at a local bar (The Gingerman). I won a mouth on a stick toy. Chattering teeth with a rubber band and a trigger at the bottom. Such is the extravagance of Houston Democrats. :D

[stuntcat]

145. "intergenerational injustice" is exactly right

Some people who call themselves 'humanitarians' right now are just busy raping everyone's children's future.

:kick:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

152. My deepest sympathies to the 30% of non-assholes who live there. -nt

[truebrit71]

158. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the correct response to the OP...

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