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Sat Oct-01-11 07:25 PM
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Poll question: Are you comfortable with President Perry exercising assassination powers? |
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If Rick Perry wins the presidency, he would of course be able to exercise his own judgment as to who constitute a threat to the United States and, based on that judgment and with no further need for what is referred to as "Due Process" (Charging with a crime formally, access to lawyer, right to defend oneself in a public forum, etc), President Perry would literally be able to order the assassination of a US citizen as President Obama has done.
If you feel this is a "Push Poll", please choose option #3 and explain what facts I got wrong.
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:26 PM
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1. I am not comfortable with any president's illegal unconstitutional acts |
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:31 PM
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that's the one I was looking for, too.
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:27 PM
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2. Very few people I would feel comfortable turning the nuclear launch codes over to |
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Perry is not one of them. President Obama is.
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Bonobo
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:30 PM
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3. That was a clever ploy, but a fail in my opinion. Here is why. |
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The nuclear launch codes are already part and parcel of the powers that any US president has, so there cannot be any argument about them at this point.
We are now talking about the claim of new and escalating powers that can be used by any President and you MUST accept responsibility for them falling into Perry's hands if you advocate now for the right of Obama to use them.
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:35 PM
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:34 PM
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5. I am only comfortable if the president who does it has a D in front of their name. |
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:37 PM
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7. I wouldn't be comfortable with Perry exercising his powers as dog catcher |
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:38 PM
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8. I think it is unfathomably naive for people to trust ANY president ... |
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... including President Obama, with this kind of power.
Remember this folks: executive branch powers, having been permitted to expand, almost never recede, and Presidents NEVER willingly give up new powers arrogated by their predecessors. I can guarantee that until the public wakes up to this incremental creep in executive branch authority (and to the corresponding incremental degrees of mootness and irrelevance the Constitution suffers with each new expansion of presidential power), then it will not only continue, but the rationale provided for each successive expansion will be flimsier than the one before. Anyone who thinks is just fine and dandy is a goddamned fool!
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:52 PM
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9. I believe that folks ought to be presumed |
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to be innocent until they are proven guilty in an open court of law with counsel to advise and represent them and the opportunity to cross-examine witnesses.
Assassinating a citizen instead of taking them into custody, arresting them and putting them on trial is, at best, vigilante justice. It is little more than a preemptive verdict - and it completely invalidates the rule of law. I personally find the asassination of a citizen more offensive than a preemptive war. No president who embraces vigilante justice is worthy of his position. If justice for one is not worth the effort then the same is true for the rest of us.
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:57 PM
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10. I would not trust him with any power. |
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Even if the vast majority of Democrats agreed these assassinations were illegal, do you think that would actually stop the Republicans? They brag about torture.
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Sat Oct-01-11 08:50 PM
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Sat Oct-01-11 08:54 PM
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Perry's embrace of a sane tuition policy for in state immigrants has finished him with the bare assed crazies that vote in republican primaries. There will be no President Perry.
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Sat Oct-01-11 09:18 PM
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14. Sorry if you missed the point. Were you dodging the issue intentionally? |
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Or are you unable to see it? Really? Could you be that short-sighted?
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Sat Oct-01-11 09:06 PM
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13. I'm not comfortable with any President having those powers.. |
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and I said so with Dimson**, too. The abuses of power I hoped President Obama would end.
I didn't vote in your poll as there wasn't an answer for me.
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Sat Oct-01-11 09:18 PM
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15. Then I think the correct answer would (obviously) have been 1. nt |
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Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 09:19 PM by Bonobo
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Sun Oct-02-11 02:18 AM
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Sun Oct-02-11 06:13 AM
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17. Kick for all the reactionary posters having a field day right now.... |
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"Duh, wait a minute! Are you really shedding tears for a turrist? Derp, derp."
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Sun Oct-02-11 06:19 AM
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18. If you criticize the government the terrorist have already won |
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Sun Oct-02-11 07:18 AM
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19. I am not comfortable with Perry signing execution orders in my state |
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I would not be comfortable with him being my president, period. Luckily, I do not foresee being burdened with that horror.
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Sun Oct-02-11 07:25 AM
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20. Dang, did you read the poll answers? |
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It isn't ABOUT Perry!
It is about the fact that those powers that Obama are setting as a precedent will be available to ANY POTUS.
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