U.S. Citizen ('suspect') gunned down by U.S. SWAT team during manhunt - no trial given to this guy

[Tx4obama]

U.S. Citizen ('suspect') gunned down by U.S. SWAT team during manhunt - no trial given to this guy

Authorities: CA slayings suspect killed in manhunt
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_COUNCILMAN_KILLED_MANHUNT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-01-23-47-36

So, was it okay to kill this non-convicted U.S. citizen that did NOT get a trial?

I haven't seen any outrage today about his 'assassination' - how come? Where's it at?

I am amazed that some folks are upset about The USA 'taking-out' three known terrorists that have declared WAR on the USA,
but when 50 law enforcement officials participate in a manhunt and then the 'suspect' is 'assassinated', a U.S. citizen that has NOT been found guilty of any crime in the court of law, there is not one peep out of anyone that I've seen as of yet!

Just something to think about.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

1. Don't set up strawmen

There are a lot of summary executions by police, not all of them in self-defense, either, but the one in Yemen was ordered by someone who is supposed to be a Constitutional scholar.

[RetroLounge]

4. Please, he's OBAMA!

He can do no wrong.

RL

[Tx4obama]

5. When a terrorist declares WAR against The USA, The USA has a right to take him out. n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

23. To call it a war is to make these guys a legend in their own minds

If they're guilty, they're criminals.

The War on Terror is bogus, and most of the attacks wouldn't even have happened if the U.S. hadn't been messing around where it didn't belong in the Middle East.

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[PETRUS]

3. Don't like it, but

this is the first I've heard of it. The other thing was all over the news. I'm guessing that's one reason for the relative silence.

edit: Lydia makes an even better point.

[bluestate10]

6. Extremists get outraged about the smallest issue. DU has it's share of that type.

Killing a terrorist that has killed americans and want to kill thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions should not cause outrage. But extremists being what they are throw up phony red flags, because that is what they do.

[JackDragna]

8. I'm sorry, I wasn't aware following the Constitution..

..made me an extremist.

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. Who did the suspected terrorists kill? Got any names? Dates?

Wanting to kill people is not a crime. Killing people is a crime. And in the civilized world, when somebody commits a crime, they are arrested and put on trial.

[Tx4obama]

16. Making bombs and putting them on airplanes IS a crime

Ibrahim Al-Asiri, Bomb-Maker Linked to 2009 Christmas Day Plot, Likely Killed in Yemen Drone Strike

WASHINGTON -- U.S. intelligence indicates that the top al-Qaida bomb-maker in Yemen also died in the drone strike that killed radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, two U.S. officials said Friday.

Ibrahim al-Asiri is the bomb-maker linked to the bomb hidden in the underwear of a Nigerian man accused of trying to blow up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009.

The FBI pulled al-Asiri's fingerprint off that bomb. Authorities also believe he built the bombs that al-Qaida slipped into printers and shipped to the U.S. last year in a nearly catastrophic attack.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/ibrahim-al-asiri-likely-killed_n_989961.html


Note: Be sure to read the whole article - looks like this fella Ibrahim al-Asiri (the NON-American) was the most important of the three - and probably the MAIN target of the drone attack!!!

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More info from The Associated Press on the yahoo link below

http://news.yahoo.com/underwear-bomb-maker-believed-dead-yemen-strike-171458043.html

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. You might read a little more closely as well -

he was an incompetent, and his bombs killed no one. The shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the cargo bombs -ALL FAILED.

Again, I ask, WHO DID THEY KILL?

[Rex]

7. Because most people don't post on FR or watch Foxnews?

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2786542/posts

Just a guess. :eyes:

[Tx4obama]

9. The story was first posted by The Associated Press.

And The Huffington Post also has the story on their front page.

I do not go to FR and I do not watch FoxNews, so I wouldn't know what they are saying.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. You really don't see a difference between this:

Allman initially said Bassler raised his gun before the deputies fired. He later said the fugitive raised his rifle as he was falling from the gunfire. There had been no verbal exchange, but the sheriff said the deputies saw Bassler walking with his finger poised near the trigger before they fired.

The sheriff said Bassler's rifle was loaded with about 30 rounds, its safety off. He also noted that officials believe Bassler had already killed two people with the same weapon he was carrying on the trail and had shot at three sheriff's deputies days earlier.

"Any confrontation or contact with law enforcement agents was going to be lethal and deadly," Allman said, adding that law permits officers to shoot at a suspected felon under such circumstances.



and the firing a missile without warning at a SUSPECT from several hundred miles away?



Was there anybody trying to arrest the three suspected terrorists? Were the people arresting them in imminent danger of being shot by them, necessitating them shooting first?

Indeed, something to think about. You should try it sometime.

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[icymist]

13. He was tried in the press. Oh yeah, the press owned by the corporations!

But the POTUS had the final say, right? Isn't that kind of a trial run to see if it works?

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[Tx4obama]

15. That proves my point.

There was no evidence shown in a court of law before they gunned him down, no verbal exchange, etc.

So, if it is okay to 'assassinate' a 'suspected' murderer out in the woods without a trial,
then it is okay to kill a 'known terrorist that has declared war on The USA' without capturing him and putting him on trial.

[Bonobo]

17. That deserves nothing but a "pfffffft". Unless of course I were to add...

"Huh!? What!?"

[tkmorris]

18. Neither of those things is OK

All you have done is to demonstrate that such injustice is relatively common, not that it is right.

And yes, before your objection, I have ALWAYS objected to such extra-judicial killings.

[Tx4obama]

19. I do NOT see how putting the lives of US troops in danger ....

to apprehend a known terrorist (that makes bombs and puts them on airplanes) would be the wise thing to do.

I wholeheartedly believe that President Obama did the correct thing by sending in the drone in order to avoid any loss of life to our troops/SEALS.

If you disagree then that is your right to do so, but I do not agree.

When a terrorist declares war on The USA you can't walk up to his door and peacefully arrest him.

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Ibrahim Al-Asiri, Bomb-Maker Linked to 2009 Christmas Day Plot, Likely Killed in Yemen Drone Strike

WASHINGTON -- U.S. intelligence indicates that the top al-Qaida bomb-maker in Yemen also died in the drone strike that killed radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, two U.S. officials said Friday.

Ibrahim al-Asiri is the bomb-maker linked to the bomb hidden in the underwear of a Nigerian man accused of trying to blow up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009.

The FBI pulled al-Asiri's fingerprint off that bomb. Authorities also believe he built the bombs that al-Qaida slipped into printers and shipped to the U.S. last year in a nearly catastrophic attack.

SNIP

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/ibrahim-al-asiri-likely-killed_n_989961.html

Note: Be sure to read the whole article - looks like this fella Ibrahim al-Asiri (the NON-American) was the most important of the three - and probably the MAIN target of the drone attack.

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More info from The Associated Press on the yahoo link below
http://news.yahoo.com/underwear-bomb-maker-believed-dead-yemen-strike-171458043.html

[wellst0nev0ter]

21. Freedom Isn't Free (n/t)

[Major Hogwash]

22. Yeah, except that one is a law enforcement issue, the other an international terrorism issue.

But, I agree with you're saying here about it.
I saw this report last night on the AP and wondered how come it wasn't mentioned here at the DU since it had a similar result.

[mmonk]

20. There should be a dept investigation into the shooting.

Seemed to be some conflicting account on whether he lifted his gun at LEOs before he was was shot or while he was falling to the ground. As far as the incidences between this and the al Queda of the Peninsula propagandist Awlaki, the questions are way different. One was a planned targeted assassination. Questions have to do with procedures and protocol though I don't have a problem if there a process involved. We don't capture and then torture or give military tribunals using secret evidence or engage in targeted assassinations when handling murder suspects here in the US.