Some 2 years ago or so, a poster in this forum wrote, "It's no longer blue vs red, or Dem vs Rep.

[Cal33]

Today it's Corporations vs you and me." I don't remember the name
of the writer, but I never forgot that message. He sure made a
remarkably accurate assessment of the situation, didn't he?
All the way up the line. Not many people saw it, or described it
so neatly.

[Auntie Bush]

1. He was so prophetic! You could also say it's now

The haves vs. the have-nots. The problem is many of the have-nots vote against their own interests...thanks to Corp. money and right wing TV and radio spouting propaganda to the less informed/educated who never learned critical analysis or how to think for themselves and just believed everything shoved in front of them....a bunch of lemmings heading this country over a cliff.

[Cal33]

8. And the Occupy WS is making more and more Repubs realize that they are supporting

those who are only using them and would some day try to enslave them.
But, there will always be knuckle-heads who will continue to deny it,
right until they day it happens. By then, it will be too late.

[tblue]

2. 100% true!

[baldguy]

3. The corporations knew that 40 yrs ago.

[Davis_X_Machina]

5. A hundred and thirty years ago. Homestead. Haymarket Square.

Bisbee. Butte. Lowell. And a hundred other places.

[tularetom]

4. It never was

The whole liberal-conservative thing was promoted by the corporate media at the direction of their bosses to distract the masses from the fact that the plutocrats were screwing the other 99% of us.

And thanks to their ability to dominate talk radio and create corporation owned cable outlets they've managed to continue to define every issue we face as a left-right thing.

Total bullshit. It's always been about class warfare but they don't want anyone to find out.

[saras]

6. Yep. The two-party system, with winner-take-all, is a deliberate fraud on democracy.

[Cal33]

7. Yes. During the feudal age of Europe, the common people (who constituted

99%+ of the population) were not only the servants, but also the property of
the nobility. The whole land belonged to the nobles, and finally the king
owned them all. The king taxed his nobles, who, in turn, taxed their serfs
for working on his land.

I've read of a Tsar some 400 years ago who wanted to buy an expensive piece
of jewelry. The asking price was 10,000 serfs. The tsar paid it.

Our blessed corporatists are doing their best to return to those days - with
themselves as the tsars and nobles, of course.

[AndyTiedye]

9. There Are Entirely Too Many "Have-Nots" that Watch Faux News and Vote the Way the Tee Vee Tells Them

The vast majority of Republican voters are not "haves" or "have-mores",
they are "barely haves" and "have-nots" who have been brainwashed by the Tee Vee.

"The corporations" are hardly a monolithic force either. What they do to their
workers pales in comparison to what they do to each other, and they are likely
to support any political party or position that gives them a tactical advantage
over their competitors. The result is plenty of corporate influence in both
parties (though certainly more on the Republican side), but it also should give
us some leverage if we can figure out how to use it.

[Cal33]

12. I've often thought that if the whole world were to fall to the Corportists,

which is a distinct possibility, their individul greed could stop, but only
temporarily, Then it will reassert itself. So, whom else could they steal
from and make war on? There isn't anyone else with a different philosophy
left.

The answer is: "Each other." Greed is self-destructive. The sad part is
that the greedy ones will take so many other people along with them.

[Odin2005]

10. I remember several of us, myself included, saying that.

I mentioned several times that the MSM were promoting partisan bickering and hate in order to hide the fact that the political Establishment of both parties are fucking us.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Yup several of us have said this for years now

and this is not suprising.... long view and history... we are here.

Read the Fourth Turning... now speak of people who are truly "prophets" in our times.

[PETRUS]

13. K&R nt

[Major Hogwash]

14. The "blue state, red state" meme was created by the MSM to divide us to protect the corporations.

It's easier to get a fight started that way between 2 peeps, and then they won't join together to fight against the machine, the corporations that are money machines that control this country by buying off politicians and paying lobbyists.

When I first heard of how the Federal Reserve came into being, I could not believe it was all designed by a few bankers who were sequestered on some island somewhere off the Eastern coast.