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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:58 PM
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How many more Americans are marked for death by our government?
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 06:12 PM by Vinnie From Indy
Are there more Americans slated for death by the government in response to the War on Terror?

Is there a list?

Is the public allowed to see this list?

Are the Americans on the list told they are on the list?

Are these Americans on the list given a chance to surrender to authorities prior to being killed?

Are they even asked to surrender peacefully?

What exactly will get an American on the death list?

Will writing or saying something get an American on this death list?

It seems to me that the government owes Americans some sort of information about this death list. Until that happens, I guess all of us must sit and wonder what exactly will get one on the death list. Are there some types of speech that will get one on this list? The questions seem to multiply.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:01 PM
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1. How long before the government declares protestors "terrorists" and starts murdering them?
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:09 PM
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6. 42 minutes...
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:14 PM
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14. This is the exact question I have. What happens when another Republican takes office and
decides that the ACLU is "undermining our conservative christian American values", places them on the terrorists watch list and begins to take them out one by one?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:02 PM
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2. Repeatedly advocating for violent overthrow of our gvt will get you a DU TS.
While it would be nice to see such a list, I don't think "the government owes Americans some sort of information about this death list" as to specifics. We, the ordinary people, are not keep in the loop with a whole lot of things. If you want to know more, run for office, keep going up and eventually you'll be on all sorts of committees and subcommittees and learn all sorts of things.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:05 PM
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3. A DU tombstone is a lot less permanent than death I would imagine
You write,

"While it would be nice to see such a list, I don't think "the government owes Americans some sort of information about this death list" as to specifics."

I assume you not only approve of extra-judicial killings, but also of keeping the information that would get one on such a list a secret. Is that correct?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:09 PM
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7. Regarding your assumptions, it depends. On a number of factors.
I don't trust the current or recent (aka bushites) crop of repubs. I trust Obama more. Killing whatever his name was is ok with me. As was killing Osama. I don't see the gvt putting people on "The List" for protesting or speaking out, but for working towards violent overthrow.

It is difficult to know who to trust about what. We have had so many yrs of nasty politics, though "politics" as such always involves lies, deception, propaganda.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:08 PM
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5. So now asking if the government has a hit list is sedition?
Really?


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:10 PM
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9. No. I in no way said that.
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 06:13 PM by uppityperson
I was replying to HOW someone got on The List. Or if that wasn't in original OP, that was what I was replying to anyway.

"What exactly will get an American on the death list? "
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:15 PM
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15. Oh, got it. Thanks for the clarification. I misread you.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:09 PM
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8. Who is asking for the violent overthrow of the government? All I see is someone
asking serious questions that at least deserving of serious consideration.

Personally, I'd like to know about such a list and I want to know who our government is killing in our name.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:11 PM
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11. I was replying to this part of OP...
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 06:13 PM by uppityperson
"What exactly will get an American on the death list? "

And OP edited as I was writing reply.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:17 PM
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17. I believe that to be a legitimate question, too. See post #10 for my concerns. n/t
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bainz Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:07 PM
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4. Is there a list?
Before you declare that there is a list, shouldn't you wait to find out the answer to your original question?

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:11 PM
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10. If there is a list, then the rest of the questions are perfectly legit. If there is no list, the
point is moot.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:14 PM
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13. We know there is because it was reported about a year and a half ago.
This was Greenwald's column with hot links to the original story Dana Priest at the link.

How many Americans are targeted for assassination?
Obama's top terrorism advisor suggests that number could be in the "dozens"
By Glenn Greenwald

When The Washington Post‘s Dana Priest first revealed (in passing) back in January that the Obama administration had compiled a hit list of American citizens targeted for assassination, she wrote that “as of several months ago, the CIA list included three U.S. citizens.” In April, both the Post and the NYT confirmed that the administration had specifically authorized the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki. Today, The Washington Times‘ Eli Lake has an interview with Obama’s top Terrorism adviser John Brennan in which Brennan strongly suggests that the number of U.S. citizens targeted for assassination could actually be “dozens”:

Dozens of Americans have joined terrorist groups and are posing a threat to the United States and its interests abroad, the president’s most senior adviser on counterterrorism and homeland security said Thursday. . . . “There are, in my mind, dozens of U.S. persons who are in different parts of the world, and they are very concerning to us,” said John O. Brennan, deputy White House national security adviser for homeland security and counterterrorism. . . .

“If a person is a U.S. citizen, and he is on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq trying to attack our troops, he will face the full brunt of the U.S. military response,” Mr. Brennan said. “If an American person or citizen is in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place, and they are trying to carry out attacks against U.S. interests, they also will face the full brunt of a U.S. response. And it can take many forms.”

Nobody — or at least not me — disputes the right of the U.S. or any other country to kill someone on an actual battlefield during war without due process. That’s just obvious, but that’s not remotely what Brennan is talking about, and it’s not remotely what this assassination program is about. Indeed, Brennan explicitly identified two indistinguishable groups of American citizens who “will face the full brunt of a U.S. response”: (1) those “on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq”; and (2) those “in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place.” In other words, the entire world is a “battlefield” — countries where there is a war and countries where there isn’t — and the President’s “battlefield” powers, which are unlimited, extend everywhere. That theory — the whole world is a battlefield, even the U.S. — was the core premise that spawned 8 years of Bush/Cheney radicalism, and it has been adopted in full by the Obama administration (indeed, it was that “whole-world-is-a-battlefield” theory which Elena Kagan explicitly endorsed during her confirmation hearing for Solicitor General).

http://politics.salon.com/2010/06/25/assassinations_3/
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:18 PM
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18. So there appears to be such a list
I wonder if any of these folks are told they are slated for killing and if they are given any chance to surrender.
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bainz Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:22 PM
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20. I know there is
But the OP posed the question. If the OP was genuine with the first question, then they would not have followed it with questions that assumed the answer.

With that being said, there is always a list. And, no, we can't see it.

I do feel proud that we now have a president that will interrupt our TV viewing hours to gloat over his assassinations.

//add me to the list.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:12 PM
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12. How many people are on death row?
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:16 PM
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16. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
Unless you are specifically talking about prisoners in federal custody slated for execution for terrorist activities, I fail to see any correlation.

Cheers!
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:20 PM
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19. It's not part of the War on Terror. It's part of health care.
The death list is managed by death panels.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:24 PM
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21. IOKIYAO
It's okay if you are Obama.

RL
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:26 PM
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22. This started with DeadEye Dick. I don't have the heart to go look
at all the threads that trashed Cheney for his death squads.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:30 PM
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23. When the messiah does it, it's A-Okay!
:puke:

RL
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:33 PM
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24. It's threads like this that help weed out Democrats from democrats. n/t
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-11 05:48 PM
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26. Meaning what exactly?
:puke:

RL
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-11 02:52 AM
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25. K&R n/t
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-11 05:58 PM
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27. It it's not the machine but who is driving it that are the killers.
Edited on Mon Oct-03-11 06:01 PM by RegieRocker
Don't hate the vehicle hate the drivers and the ones who gave them a liscense to drive it.
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