Overall civil unrest is what they fear. They fear it more than a political demand.

[boston bean]

Why? Because we know the big fuckin change for the better for us is around the corner. And that doesn't sit to well with them.

No need to be so specific that people get bogged down in detail after detail. A simple DEMAND that the 99% be represented and treated well and with the respect they deserve, is good enough for now.

Soon enough there will be politicians who will begin to feel the heat. And that is when the change you want becomes real. You need them to champion the change and they will. But they won't do it unless you don't scare the bejeesus out of them and their corporate masters.

Because truly, w/o us, they are big zero's and they know it.

[Matariki]

1. No it's not "good enough for now"

because "treated well and with the respect they deserve" is extremely vague. Specify what "treated well" means and you'll be on the right track.

Here, I'll help:
Changes to the tax code, over-turning the Citizen's United ruling, putting the Fairness Doctrine back in place, REAL election reform - those would be starts at addressing real representation of the 99%

[boston bean]

3. Those are political solutions that will come from civil unrest.

People aren't stupid you know. Especially when it comes to having a roof over their head and a scrap of food on the table.

They may not know exactly what the solution is or what it will be, but the demand, just the same, represent the 99%, is a demand and a damned good one. It doesn't box people in. When the politicians finally come around because there corporate masters are afraid they are gonna lose it all, people will then be able to fight out the nitty gritty details.

Right now, something is wrong, and it needs some fixin. So many things wrong, too many to count. No one solution, or demand or one single thing every single person can agree one, except they know they aren't represented.

Every single movement starts out this way. Give it some time for crying out loud.

[loyalsister]

11. Not true

"Every single movement starts out this way." I don't know what movements you are referring to, but these can not be included in your statement.

The civil rights movement targeted laws and policies from the start. Busses, lunch counters, etc
From there it escalated to the freedom rides and court decisions.
Then came the march on Washington.

The Suffrage movement started and ended with a proposed law. Supporters not only protested, they lobbied individual legislators. It continues with a proposed ERA.

Disability Rights movement pushed for jobs under WPA, access to transportation, schools, housing, etc. and enforcement and passage of specific laws. Allied legislators proposed the ADA and other laws.

All started and continue with specific stated goals. And they all pursued tangible solutions that were enacted via the political system.

I don't understand how any of what I have read translates into actual policy or legislative proposals that have any realistic potential to be enacted.

[Leopolds Ghost]

14. I actually disagree

The problem with modern day liberalism is that the new generation is too dependent on authority.

The fact is that it all stems from who is ruling over us. If the people in charge are pro-corporate, and the government is run for the benefit of corporations and the rich, then no amount of legislation will change that.

It will simply be subverted to make people think reform is happening, if the change does not happen all the way to the top.

The last time there was a severe risk of an unaccountable (to corporations) leader rising to power, RFK got assassinated (among other figures).

[ixion]

2. well said.

this is about an end to corporate and government corruption, if you want to boil it down to a single demand, it would be something like that.

[Donnachaidh]

4. I'm *past* good enough for now -- and so are many others

If people were still *settling* they would NOT be in the streets, or planning to get into the streets.

I'm THRILLED people are in the streets. And it's no picnic -- it's no *oh look at my sign! Now let's go get a latte and talk about how much FUN this has been*.

People are HURTING. People are living in tents, and under overpasses, and standing in line after line looking for help -- BECAUSE Wall Street destroyed our economy. And our government stood back and bailed THEM out after they did it!

It's PAST the point of *I hope this gets the elites' attention*. It's PAST *settling for less*.

It's fucking ON.

Here's yer change -- hope y'all like it. :sarcasm:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. "It's fucking ON"

You bet. Sure is. The wheels of change are turning now and a lot of folks, rich and greedy, are gonna get their oxen gored.

[boston bean]

6. Not sure how you took my post, but I'm in total agreement with you. nt

[rustydog]

7. They can control the political scene because they control the politicians

They do not control the 99% who are becoming quite fed up. If I were them, I'd be fearful myself.History is on our side.

[Raksha]

8. Damn right, and exactly what I've been saying for years.

They need to be AFRAID of us, afraid of our numbers and our power to disrupt the system and bring it to a screeching halt through non-compliance and civil disobedience. We've always had that power, and they know it. The one thing they were counting on was that we DIDN'T know it. As long as they could brainwash us (or enough of us) into believing in our own helplessness, they were safe in their fortified towers. Not any more.

[Matariki]

9. And as the crowds grow more and more diverse

they will soil their collective undergarments.

[boston bean]

10. you're right. they won't know whether to

shit or get off the pot.

Truly the one thing that concerns me about the protests is the bad weather coming on. But Wisconsin did their thing in the dead of winter too.

[Davis_X_Machina]

12. The reason why they don't fear it...

...is because we can't deliver it.

Not us. Not DU. Not a whole lot of people on the internet talking past each other.

[MichiganVote]

13. Yes but--winter's coming. Travel in packs to stay warm.