Is the right manipulating the Occupy America movement?

[neoconn]

My mission is not to divide. My mission is to be factually informed and not persuaded...

I have been watching Occupy America video all day and declared to my self "Enough is enough. I want to be apart of this!" I started searching the web for information on Occupy locations near me (SF) and ran across this page

http://incorporealcommittee.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/september-17-fight-wall-street-but-dont-block-with-the-right/

excerpt
"History shows that when capitalism is in crisis, the working class is spurred to greater levels of fightback. History also shows that other sectors of society – more reactionary, right-wing sectors – start to move as well, seizing on the economic crisis to draw more people into its camp."

However, the insistence by the people who run the General Assemblies for September 17 that their movement should have no demands, political positions or organizations is making S17 susceptible to manipulation by right-wing groups, some of whom are playing roles in building it.

One group, US Day of Rage, is one of the central websites for organizing and political agitation for September 17. Its website include calls for similar occupations in Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities.

A review of the language on the website of US Day of Rage makes it right-wing politics evident. The site’s slogan, “One Citizen, One Dollar, One Vote” is the first clue. Aside from the absurd “One Dollar,” the “One Citizen” part is incompatible with the essential fight for immigrants’ rights."

Sounded a little far fetched to me but I did see some parallels to the article when I continued on my search for Occupy America information.

look at 0:06 and 1:25 of this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPQOU1KNF0U

That guy gave me the utter feeling of deceptive intentions. Maybe I have been "persuaded" into looking to far into this or maybe there is some truth to it.

BTW I will be attending the Occupy-SF this week. Pics and info to come...

[lib2DaBone]

1. No, its not the right. ...But they are rudderless...

They need a solid agneda..and a leader.


I only hope they find a leader before the Tea Bags close in for the kill.

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. I respectfully disagree...a single leader, even five, could be arrested and hobble the cause.

It is a flat, democratic system. The General Assembly is working, it is a truly fine thing. And there is a solid agenda. There were four demands issued weeks prior to the S17 movement, and now there is a long, wonderful list.

This thing is working just fine. It is adapting marvelously. It should appear in history books as something wonderful!

[PETRUS]

6. I also think the absense of specific demands...

...or policy proposals, or whatever you want to call them is just fine. If this is going to succeed and actually change policy, the numbers must grow quite a bit larger. Focusing on grievances - especially complaints that most Americans can identify and agree with (e.g. corruption of government by Wall Street, rules that allow Wall Street to make money without providing any benefit to the overall economy, allowing Wall Street to privatize profits yet subsidize failure with taxpayer dollars, failure to prosecute fraud on Wall Street) - it can bring in more "everyday" types. Remember, the first activists to get out there and put themselves on the line are often heavily represented by the most highly marginalized groups, which (unfortunately) a down on his luck factory worker might have a hard time identifying with. And get too specific with your proposed solutions and a hostile media will have a field day.

All people need to know now is that this is about democracy, opportunities for all, and equal treatment under the law. Shine a bright enough light on the injustices, and middle America will take notice. Talk policy, and they'll take a nap.

"imho"

PS. Love all you folks down there (gonna join you in person real soon) but I worry that some of the issues aired in your first statement are going to turn people off, people we need on our side.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

12. My first experience with the general assembly was last saturday

It was a thing of beauty. Would that our so called leaders could act so democratically.

[Fire Walk With Me]

21. ...

:thumbsup::hi:

[Cal33]

24. I read that they come to decisions through concensus. This is not being "rudderless."

I think they are doing fine. Let them continue trying out this new way.
Maybe we can learn something from them.

[Cal33]

25. I read that they come to decisions through concensus. This is not being "rudderless."

I think they are doing fine. Let them continue trying out this new way.
Maybe we can learn something from them.

[OHdem10]

3. Not yet. Some Democrats should be there. If the Democrats

do as they did with the Tea Party and dismiss them
out of hand, the Democrats will deserve every loss
they have.

The Tea Party was organic but the Republican Party
saw a chance and took it.

[neoconn]

5. I always thought of the Tea Party as

a astro turf group that arose due to mesmerizing the ignorant and calling to the radicals.

[OHdem10]

7. I am referring to very beginning when small groups showed up

in different spots across the U.S. Back when they
were Anti-Wall ST and anti-Nafta. It seems Fox
News discovered them and started following them
egging them on. Then the Party saw the opportunity
and seized it.

[readmoreoften]

4. There are some Ron Paulers trying to game the events but it's not likely to work.

Being a big anti-immigrant homophobe who wants to cut Social Security and replace it with charity from churches ain't gonna cut it with these crowds. Not for long anyway.

[patrice]

8. This depends upon how many people get into it. nt

[Luminous Animal]

9. I am pretty certain that US Day of Rage is not a right wing org. You will need a lot

more evidence than vague accusations about the language on their website. Do you know what "one Citizen, One Dollar, One Vote" means?

[Luminous Animal]

10. Also, if you'd like to talk with someone at USDOR, her name, phone number, & email

address are right on the website.

[neoconn]

13. I believe it refers to

one person (non corp) allowed to contribute one dollar to the campaign chest of politicians... I am not making any accusations.

[Luminous Animal]

18. Your article cited in the OP made an accusation. A rather definitive one, at that.

To quote from your OP,
"A review of the language on the website of US Day of Rage makes it right-wing politics evident"

[a simple pattern]

11. I'm sure they are trying.

The Pauloids like to whore their guy's name around whatever the situation. They think he is inclined to "legalize it".

I think the US Days of Rage "one dollar" might refer to public financing of elections?

The guy in your video link is hilarious.

[neoconn]

14. He went from

"fiscal conservative" to "moderate" to "liberal" in one breath...

[Confusious]

15. Total bullshit

What I love (sarcasm) about the left. There is no putting the horse before the cart.

must have the horse and cart at the same time, or it's nothing.

A slogan is just that, a slogan. One citizen, one dollar, one vote is racist, and harms workers rights? It means, which this guy fails to comprehend, is that corporate money shouldn't be involved with politics. And only a citizen can vote. Black, white, red, green. If their a citizen, they can vote. not racist.

give me a break. The only thing this guy cares about is immigration and he's going to try and tear down anything that doesn't give attention to his pet cause.

The left at it's worst. Or maybe a little bullshit post by a right-winger?

[neoconn]

16. Was the last sentence of your statement pointed toward me

or the author of the post?

[Confusious]

19. For the writer of the article.

Though I do wonder a little about your critical thinking skills.

The writers last name was insurgante for gods sake.

Maybe if his name was biggus dickus it would be more obvious?

[Jim Warren]

17. Noticed that too, huh?

What I love about the left (sarcasm) is how easily the demon of doubt can be slipped into their drink like a mickey.

[Odin2005]

20. Let the Ron-Paul nuts attend. Keeping them out will just...

lead most people to dismiss the movement as Establishment "Divide and Conquer" BS. They are the 99%, too.

[DearAbby]

22. Yes

this is truly an organic form of democracy. My heart is singing.

[SalviaBlue]

23. The right will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING in an

attempt to manipulate anything the 99% does to reclaim their power.

[robdogbucky]

26. Update....

Live Blog for #OccupyWallStreet: Day Eighteen, ‘A Beautiful Democracy in All This’

By: Kevin Gosztola Tuesday October 4, 2011 8:59 am


Since the weekend, the amount of media coverage has increased substantially. The discussion of it all seems to be evolving among the commentators, hacks and pundits in the establishment media. It used to be that the occupiers were disorganized. That has had little effect on the ability of the movement to grow.

Then the issue of disorganization became an issue about a lack of demands. Members of the media requested demands as if the occupiers somehow are holding the economy or US politics hostage and they must produce so something can be done and people can move on. And now, the media is deconstructing the launching of occupations in communities across the country by asking whether what is forming is the “liberal Tea Party” or not.

Nothing captures how the media just doesn’t get it like this question from CNN anchor Susanne Malveaux to CNN Business Correspondent Alison Kosik,


“I understand this is a group that’s kind of a bit disorganized, to say the least. It’s not clear who is actually participating. But tell us who is behind these protests. And really, what are they protesting? What’s the main point here, if there is one?”


The question is garbled amalgamation of all the talking points critics have had toward the occupation. Casting doubt as to whether the occupiers have a point or not is a clear sign of ignorance. The main point could not be more obvious. I’ll give Malveaux a hint. It has to do with Wall Street...

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/10/04/live-blog-for-occupywallstreet-day-eighteen-a-beautiful-democracy-in-all-this/