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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:10 AM Original message |
If you support the President having the power to kill American citizens without due process |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Congress gave him the power to do it, so it is not illegal |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Congress doesn't have the power to abrogate the Constitution. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Has this one been struck down? |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. The Patriot Act hasn't been struck down either |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Why hasn't the PATRIOT act been struck down? |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Gee, I guess it must be OK, then. Right? |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. unbelievable, isn't it? |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. Your OP asks if it was LEGAL. ... that was YOUR framing. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
64. Apparently IOKIODI. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. IOKIODI!! +100000 |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. Not defending Bush but if Bush would have done the same thing |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. I wouldn't. I assume that you believe the majority of DUers would have.... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Go search the archives, |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
3. If you are against our govt killing our enemies during a war, you are probably one step away from |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. If our enemy is an American citizen, there are procedures in place for that. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
23. The procedures are to deal with him in the USA. He wasn't in the USA |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Really? Show me in the Constitution where it says anything about WHERE the citizen is located. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. It doesn't have to say it since OBVIOUSLY, you cannot extend rights |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Really? Because I don't see that limitation in the Constitution. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. A fugitive from whom? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. Deleted message |
CarmanK (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
5. He renounced his citizenship when he JOINED THE ENEMY! |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Don't we TRY traitors in this country? |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Fine. If he had returned to the USA, that would have happened..but |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Did we even try to apprehend him? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That's the billion dollar question. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Deleted message |
Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It's kind of a catch 22, they're afraid |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. He knew he was wanted. He should have surrendered. Why should |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Not my job. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. How many lives would you have risked to arrest him? |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Only the ones that get paid to do that job. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. But you are talking about military actions |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Well, since it's a foregone conclusion, let's just stop trying to arrest anybody. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. No - lets arrest or extradite terrorists when we can |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I"m not sure we know that ... what I do know is it was a drone strike. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. NONE! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Who is going to serve that arrest warrant? |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Ba-BAM! There it is! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. That is factually false. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
8. I personally think the U.S. should just drop the charade of following the Constitution. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Bingo! |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I actually think that was Bush himself who said that. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. But but but Congress passed the Patriot Act! It HAS to be legal! |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Hell, I have proposed that we drop the pretense of having trials |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Sadly true. And we're so OVER due process..... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
54. BINGO! |
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EC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
15. Congress did give him the power (rather Bush the power) to |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Um, Jim Crow laws and slavery were 'legal' too. Didn't make either just or moral - n/t |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I don't know how you equate jim crow with eliminating a terrorist. nt |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Because those black people were, you know, enemies of the state. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. Again, your OP is about what is LEGAL. That is your framing. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
58. Straw Man Deluxe. I'm not equating Jim Crow with eliminating |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. Al-Awaki was never an "enemy combatant". |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I think the "enemy combatant" label was only applied after they were captured |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Thanks for fleshing that out for me (us). :-) eom |
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AngkorWot (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
18. "If you don't support the killing of Al-Alwaki, you're probably an enemy sympathizer." |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
21. blah bla-bla-blahh |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Really? |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. And just how frequently has this been happening ..... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
24. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
37. So I'm wondering who else is on "The List" |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. This good ole boy from California for sure |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
65. The lists are secret - none of American's business who's name is on it. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 07:21 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Ah, hell, let's just go back to the old days |
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MiddleFingerMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
41. K&R n/t |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
70. MFM, what are you doing in here?? Get back to Teh Longue!!!! |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
55. Excellent Post! (nt) |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
60. Good pernt, Bake! |
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