‘This Is Revolution Not Reform’

[G_j]

‘This Is Revolution Not Reform’

Occupy Wall Street Organizer to ‘Excited’ Al Sharpton: We Are Anarchists and Revolutionaries,‘This Is the Beginning of a Revolution in This Country’

watch:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-is-revolution-not-reform-occupy-wall-street-organizer-to-excited-al-sharpton-we-are-anarchists-and-revolutionaries-this-is-the-beginning-of-a-revolution-in-this-country/

[xchrom]

1. from their lips to god's ears. nt

[FirstLight]

2. Proud to be the first REC!

i tell ya, this is going to be an interesting ride... the election may end up being a moot point, because we are not 'waiting' for that to make our dreams come true. The whole thing is that we are dying out here....right NOW. And these survival issues have put us in a do or die moment in time...finally!

I am proud, awed, overwhelmed and so damn excited for the first time in a long time. it seems that we have finally reached or are reaching a 'critical mass' in consciousness.

[Odin2005]

3. We Are The Revolution! The Revolution Is Us!

We are the ones we have been waiting for!

[PETRUS]

4. Don't be appeased

Remember - the New Deal was rolled back.

[white_wolf]

5. That is the great weakness of Reform.

Hell, even the social-democracies of Scandinavia are being threanted with austerty measures.

[socialist_n_TN]

8. Regulating capitalism is like riding the tiger

It's VERY hard to do and you're always in danger of being eaten. :)

No half measures this time. Get rid of it and institute economic democracy worldwide!

[Name removed]

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[G_j]

7. k

[socialist_n_TN]

9. Well we'll see. As blindpig said in a post yesterday

this isn't really a revolution. It's not even the precursor to a revolution. YET. It MIGHT be the precursor to the precursor of a revolution. But there's a LOT of focus that needs to be gained in actions.

The list of grievances is fine, but the "action" program consists of nothing, but platitudes that are vague and amorphous. They don't even list the true enemy which is capitalism as a system. EVEN THOUGH THEIR LIST OF ABUSES RANGES ALL ACROSS THE SYSTEM, they still won't call a spade a shovel and NAME the perpetrator OF the abuses.

If the action and goals part gains focus, THEN it might be the precursor to a revolution.

[tcaudilllg]

10. Socialist with an attitude like that you won't find a place in it anyway.

People see you as willing to repeat the mistakes of the past. As bad as the system is, they hate Cuba's more.

[blindpig]

12. Who hates Cuba more?

You just made that up, probably projecting.

[socialist_n_TN]

14. Then don't call it a revolution

because it's not. You might as well call the FDR "reforms" a revolution, which would be rewriting history.

As to whether I will find a place in it, I don't really care about that part of it. What I care about is that list of abuses and what to do about same. You won't change what's wrong with reformist measures. It's too late for that. And even if you WERE able to soften those abuses with reformist measures, they wouldn't STAY reformed. The taking apart of the FDR reforms proves that.

BTW, I'm NOT a Stalinist, so don't confuse what I believe with a Stalinist system like the Cuban one.

[tcaudilllg]

15. A revolution would be violent.

but there is a middle ground between reform and revolution. That is radical reform.

[socialist_n_TN]

16. The level of violence would depend on the capitalists

If they give in to reasonable demands by the working class for economic democracy and control of the means of production, then it doesn't have to be violent. If they resist, then yes, it could get violent.

OTOH, I expect violence if things stay the same as they are now too. The frustration is building rapidly and frustration unresolved ALWAYS leads to violence in the end. That's an historical fact.

[tcaudilllg]

17. I agree, that's why I keep prodding people to buy vests.

That said, it's not really easy for cops, who watched the same cartoon shows as the rest of us and went to HS with us, to be controlled by people who they dislike, especially those who they think have committed injustice. Still, look for signs of factionalization... cops really don't have a way to police each other, after all. (and for the record, I think that's what happened at the bridge).

[socialist_n_TN]

18. Well Trotsky had a quote about that..........

And it's apropos for folks who think that the cops are part of the working class. It goes:

"A worker in the service of the capitalist state is not a worker but a bourgeois cop."

[blindpig]

11. I don't see that.

Asking for reforms, asking for the rich to play nice is not revolution, it is reformism.

Revolution is demanding an end to capitalism.

[G_j]

13. it depends on who you talk to

there are also veterans from the Global Justice movement (WTO-Seattle etc.)