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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 05:54 AM
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Kercher/Knox: A 21st Century Feminist Nightmare
Edited on Wed Oct-05-11 06:12 AM by McCamy Taylor
Remember the old days, when a rape victim was likely to be asked “How short was your skirt? Were you wearing panty hose? Why weren’t you wearing pantyhose?”

Looks like the old days are not so old after all. There is an important lesson to be learned from the Knox-Kercher case. Society----in this case the press---tells us that the victim of a brutal crime is only deserving of our sympathy if she is attacked by a stranger, preferably while she was in her own room, saying her rosary while wearing a high collar, flannel nightgown. In contrast, a woman who invites a man to her apartment and who then gets raped and murdered---well, she was obviously asking for it.

Society tells us that a woman who is raped and then murdered is partly to blame. She must have flaunted her sexuality. If she had just covered up, she would not have excited her rapist. Never mind that rape is about power rather than sex. Rapists attack those whom they consider vulnerable---elderly women, children---not just those who are young and attractive.

On the other hand, a woman who is the victim of a satanic cult is obviously innocent of all wrong, including the sin of being sexual. Her shining pure innocence is what makes her a worthy sacrifice to the devil. Her death elevates her to the status of a Christian martyr, a rarefied being deserving of sainthood----

Guede's assertion that he had met and flirted with Miss Kercher the night before was refuted by her friends, who said they had not seen the two together, and that Miss Kercher would never invite a relative stranger back to her home.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572521/Tributes-flow-at-Meredith-Kerchers-funeral.html


What possible difference does it make whether the man convicted of raping and murdering her broke in through a window or was invited over for a drink? Rape is rape and murder is murder. Does Guede think his crime is less if she "lead him on"? Do Kercher's friends think that her tragedy if less is she "lead him on"? This is 2011. Why is the press even going here?

Mr Kercher said he would "never get over" Meredith's murder and added that he was finding it "very difficult" to take in autopsy reports that she had had sex with her killer before she was murdered.

"Meredith was just not that sort of person," said Mr Kercher, a freelance journalist from Coulsdon, south London.

"She would never have got involved in anything like that. It is still so difficult. I think I am dealing with it, and then I see cards and pictures or I hear her name mentioned and it sets me off crying again. I will never get over it," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568524/Three-held-over-murder-of-British-student.html


Never get involved in anything like what? Sex? So what if she did? Would that make her death any less tragic? I can understand why her dad would say something like that. But why did the press print it? What were they trying to prove? Apparently the press wanted to make her a modern day St. Agnes, the Roman era Christian virgin who was martyred for refusing to marry. I'll bet they thought they were doing her a favor, stripping her of the "taint" that comes from being sexual. Well, I have news for the press. Women are sexual, just like men. Sexuality is part of being human. If you deny a woman her sexuality, you are making her less than human.




Society tells us that there are only two types of women, virgins and whores. Every virgin is a saint. Every whore is a succubus. While Meredith Kercher was being stripped of her humanity and nailed onto a pedestal labeled “saint”, Amanda Knox was convicted in the court of public opinion for being sexual---and therefore, the Whore of Babylon.

Evidence was also put to the court about how Knox kept a pink Rampant Rabbit vibrator in a transparent beauty case in the women's shared bathroom.

When Miss Kercher's British female friends took the stand, they testified about how the presence of the sex toy made Miss Kercher feel uncomfortable.

It was claimed by the prosecution that the sex toy was presented in this way to intimidate Miss Kercher.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234298/Amanda-Knox-The-troubling-doubts-Foxy-Knoxys-role-Meredith-Kerchers-murder.html

Moral of this story---"good" women do not masturbate. "Bad" women do. Oh, and whenever the "bad" women are not playing with themselves, they are trying to lead their "good" female friends into sin, because that is what Satan wants them to do. Satan and all the guys who get off watching two girls go at it.

Yet in the middle of it all sat barmaid Amanda Knox, whispering sweet nothings to her latest conquest, her chest pressed against his, their mouths just millimetres apart and seemingly unaware of the chaos ensuing around her.


Snip

The following day he employed Amanda to collect glasses for two shifts a week from 10pm to 3am. But he soon realised she was more interested in making herself available to his male customers than making herself useful at the bar.

"Every time I looked round she was flirting with a different guy," he says.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-496218/I-fired-Foxy-Knoxy-hitting-customers-Patrick-Lumumba-reveals-framed-Merediths-murder.html


Chaos. Conquest. A woman who has sex is obviously out to destroy the world. With super-villain aspirations like those, would she even hesitate to murder her own roommate?



The Italian prison guard was 'obsessed' with talking to Knox about her sex life and often called the American into his office for late-night 'chit chats', according to The Sun.

Snip

Knox is reported to have said of guard Argiro: 'He was fixed on the topic of sex - who I'd done it with and how I liked it.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045451/Amanda-Knox-Perugia-prison-guard-obsessed-Foxy-Knoxys-sex-life.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


You've got to be careful when dealing with those she-devils. They can corrupt even a man of the cloth--or a man of the law.

During the prosecution's closing arguments, she was cast as a "diabolical she-devil" with a lusty temper that drove her to sexual violence and murder. Prosecution witnesses spent months describing her hygiene, her love life, and her sex toy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/12/01/guilty-until-proven-guilty.html


Do I even need to comment on this bullshit? Prosecution spent "months" talking about her sex toy? Who is sexed obsessed here? Amanda or the prosecutor? Trick question. Once again, it is the Whore of Babylon's fault if she fills men's heads with filth.

Knox’s sexuality featured heavily in the prosecution case, illuminated by a diary entry in which she listed seven partners, three of whom she slept with after her arrival in Italy (the list excluded Sollecito). Among them was a man she met and had sex with on the train on her way to Perugia. On Facebook, she put down as her interests “men”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6945967.ece


Well, that proves her guilt. Women who are interested in "men" want to get rid of the competition, right?

The press and the prosecutors in this case should be ashamed of themselves. This is the 21st century, and still they attempt to pigeonhole women. This kind of virgin/whore mentality does more than help convict women on flimsy evidence. It leads to unwanted pregnancy---girls are told that if they plan for sex by having condoms available, then they are sluts. It places the burden of childrearing on mothers alone, by casting children as the wages of their sin, forcing mothers and children to live in poverty. It is used to strip women of their reproductive rights----promiscuous women must bear their children, since their pregnancy is God’s divine wrath. And any woman whose skirt is too short and any woman who decides to join the army and go to Iraq and any woman who just happens to be a women rather than a saint has it coming if some man forces her to the ground and brutally rapes then murders her.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 06:09 AM
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1. Excellent post
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 10:04 AM
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10. That article truly is great...Thanks for posting.n/t
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 06:19 AM
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2. How stupid of me to think those days were in the past
Edited on Wed Oct-05-11 06:20 AM by lunatica
The attack on women just in this year is appalling. Who knows how many states have now put some sort of serious restraint on women regarding abortions and now we actually get people blaming women for being raped because somehow men can't be blamed for acting like animals at the very sight of short skirts.

We must fight back. I sure as hell don't want to go back to the old days when women used hangers.

Imagine having no recourse but to use this

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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 10:56 AM
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11. the bad old days are back
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 06:20 AM
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3. Demonstrated: the sins of
pride (the prosecutor) and $$$ (the Daily Mail)! Disgusting. In the end it all came down to the DNA, thankfully.

I don't think even the first Italian jury would have bought all this if it had not been for the faulty DNA.

But what is amazing is that there are still some Italians that actually think she was guilty. Is that nuts or what???
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 07:57 AM
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6. Stil some Italians who think she is guilty?...There's still some DUers who think she's guilty.
and/or that she got off because she was "young, white and pretty"

to quote one.

Disgusting.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 06:45 AM
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4. but.... italy is sexually progressive and a haven for women being sexually empowered
no?
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 10:33 PM
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19. Not really. Especially not around the catholic heavy bits
Women in Italy are allowed to have their fun before marriage, but after...
To say there is a double standard after marriage is a serious understatement.
Remember, Italy is mostly catholic, hard core catholic.
Even the dissenters from the church go to mass!
Europe is a strange grab bag of dark ages and enlightenment.

for the most part it averages on the good side, but gender rights...
it literally changes with the neighborhood you're in.
Even in Amsterdam in holland opinions about women's rights turn on a thin Gulder dime.

Truth is, she got lucky.
She is good looking, and white, and rich.
When i heard about this when it happened, I was living in Holland and thought it was complete BS that she was put away. Self defense was the first thing that came to mind.

However this is Italy... and women, like in Spain, are simply things to be conquered there.

She was lucky to have gotten out as quickly as she did.
Convicting Americans is a kind of sport you see.
This country is always sooo arrogant, and that pisses the rest of the world off.
In the match v the USA, Italy scored 2 and the US 0
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:01 AM
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24. thank you for being honest. i have been hit over the head about europe sexual progressiveness
yet when peeling things back i really see a whole lot of patriarchy and not a lot of equality. i dont know all the countries, but fance and italy i know is about male dominence. at least be real.

and ya, i get it, americas arrogance. we live in texas. it is that arrogance that pisses off the rest of the nation. tell my boys when they root for the cowboys saying they are the american team. ya that, i tell them, that is what turns people off.

:hi:
:hug:
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 12:01 PM
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40. Its better hidden in holland, but the MCP is there in the background... oddly perpetuated by women!
being wild before the age of 25 is acceptable and expected.
however females are expected to slow down and become respectable by the time they're 25, and pop out at least 1 kid.
I can't begin to tell you how hard it was on my ex to not have kids...something I didn't realize until I was older.
Then when we started trying, she was in her late 20's...nvm

It's just strange.
The pressure is from other women that a woman should settle down. Men honestly don't care.
My father in law just wanted his girls to be happy and successful. That doesn't mean that her mom didn't lay into her about not having kids when they were alone, however.
btw her parents are considered "hippies".

in some ways it's better than here, and others not. Like any different culture. there are differences.

the law SAYS women should be paid the same as men, but they have the same draconian "THOU SHALT NOT TALK" about salary rules as we do at companies. so it's hard to say. My Ex is beyond those rules anyway, as a business owner. She pays her employees the same, based on merit.

Anyway, as I noted... this poor gal in Italy was lucky to get away at only 4 years.

:hi:
:hug:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:29 AM
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29. "Truth is, she got lucky"
How is it "lucky" to be falsely accused, convicted,

and imprisoned for four years?

Their was no "luck" involved....Someone finally looked

at the corrupted "evidence" and the bullshit trial

and did the right thing.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 12:02 PM
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41. are you capable of posting ONCE?
seriously , it's annoying.
get your hateful thoughts together and put them into ONE long ranting piece.
it makes it less tempting to ignore you.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 03:26 PM
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42. Yes I am, but only if I see the same bullshit ONCE
which, unfortunately, has not been the case here.

I see different posters repeating the same BS

over and over and so I thought I'd do everyone

a favor and simply post the FACT on a subject

line ONCE to save everyone the time.

There's nothing even slightly "hateful" about my

thoughts....Get over yourself.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 08:21 AM
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33. Please...Greece is not Catholic and I'd say their male chauvinism is quite "competitive"
And as far as Italy being influenced by it's

Catholicism..Give me a break...Abortion is LEGAL

there and HAS been for decades.

BTW, Amanda Knox is NOT "rich", nor are her parents.

Please do some research before spouting off the stereotypes.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 08:28 PM
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37. Please get your facts straight --- Amanda Knox is NOT rich, nor is her family
I realize that it's a tantalizing

piece of the "resentment trifecta"

of "PWR"...Pretty white and rich,

but it has this problem

of being undeniably FALSE.



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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 07:24 AM
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5. wonderful analysis
Thank you.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 08:04 AM
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7. Good analysis!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 08:05 AM
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8. K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 08:25 AM
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9. "very difficult to take in the fact that she had sex with with her killer before she was murdered"
Edited on Wed Oct-05-11 08:27 AM by whathehell
News Flash...LOTS of men are fucked up about female sexuality...

Witness the "double standard" which posits men as "studs" and

women as "sluts" for the same act.

Witness the fact the the father of 7 year old Megan Kanka, the rape/murder victim for whom "Meagan's Law" was named, said he felt WORSE about her being raped

than about her being murdered....Apparently her little vagina was worth more to him than her LIFE.:puke:

It made me sick when I read it, and the writer apparently anticipated that

sort of reaction because he went on to say that "Many men feel that way".

I felt SO much better learning that, don't you?

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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:46 AM
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22. i would feel worse about the rape of my little girl too, rape is torture
the murder is horrible but you get killed and it is all over, the rape is torture for every minute it happens. if my little girl was to be murdered i would be broken in 2 but knowing she was tortured in any way first would make it worse.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:14 AM
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25. That is sick....
Rape may be torturous, but it is temporary...Death is forever.

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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 02:03 PM
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35. i said if both had to happen
i have a 3 year old, if only one of the 2, rape or murder, were to happen of course murder would be the worst, but if both were to happen i would feel even worse that she got tortured before she got killed (the rape being the torture)
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:35 PM
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36. Well, of course
The dickhead father of Megan Kanka said he felt WORSE

about her being raped than being dead....That's fucked up.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 01:41 AM
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38. i must have totally misunderstood what the father said
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 02:29 AM
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39. I think I understand
your misunderstanding...No problem.:hippie:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 08:49 AM
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34. Then I hope you are not the father of a little girl
and never bcome one.

What a pathetic, poorly thought out sentiment.
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 01:31 PM
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12. There are many sex biases in the Knox/Kercher case...
First of all .... great post, thanks.

I agree with your points, but I'm conflicted by something else: The media circuses that erupt if the victim and/or accused is female, young, sexy and telegenic. She pretty much needs to be white, for US audiences. Extra points to the story if children, clergy, SM, cannibalism or satan is involved. With top-dollar legal representation (e.g, family money) or PR savvy - the story can be kept alive indefinitely.

I see this as just plain hormonal stimulation. Crime porn, payback adrenalin. Lots of appealing photos of pretty people our society deems 'f*kable', lots of explicit testimony, graphic descriptions of acts, body parts. All of a sudden world audiences are interested in the minutiae of DNA, social and flirtation patterns. Lemme see it again, please, I'm still deliberating.

I was pretty sure Knox would win acquittal if she did her personal appeal well - emotional, crying, womanly. Women are better able to invoke that response. Less media-genic prisoners just rot their lives away in prison cuz the world just doesn't give a damn about the merits of their cases.








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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 01:39 PM
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15. Knox benefited because she was good looking
which some would say is anti-feminist. If she had been less photogenic, she'd probably be preparing for her 25-year stint in the clink.

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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 06:36 PM
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16. And your evidence of this is.............
?????

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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 10:25 PM
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18. Or she might not have spent ANY time in prison if she had been not pretty
That she was young and attractive is what caught the attention of the prosecutor. If she had been plain, overweight, and dull, doubtful she would have caught his eye. He has a history of seeing "satan" in a lot of people and crimes. This wasn't the first time his imagination went into overdrive.

Don't forget they had the actual murder in prison when they put Knox and Socilito on trial. It wasn't like they needed to put someone away for the crime.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:48 AM
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23. in all fairness over here in europe most women/girls
hell most people are not fat, so there are lots more "good" looking women if by good you mean skinny.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 08:11 AM
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32. Exactly..
This is starting to feel like "Let's all hate on the pretty white girl".:eyes:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:22 AM
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26. Sure....So does George Clooney, Beyonce and every other attractive person.
They just "benefit" in other ways...

Knox's looks, however, did NOT keep her out of prison for four years..In fact,

in her case, it could be argued that her good looks went AGAINST her

How many would have believed she was a lascivious "she-devil" were she not good-looking?

What won the day, in this case, was the fact that the prosecutor was a

criminal and there was NO uncorrupted evidence, not the fact that she is pretty.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 08:05 AM
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30. The prosecutor was corrupt, the "evidence" and supposed "motive"
were bullshit....I don't think you have to go looking

for "special privileges" in this case.

Besides, how is being falsely accused,

prosecuted and imprisoned for four years "lucky"?:eyes:


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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 01:34 PM
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13. Kercher didn't "have sex with" Guede
she was raped and murdered by him.

that's not sex.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:23 AM
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27. Agreed. n/t
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 01:36 PM
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14. harsh truths, but truths nonetheless
I am furious that women's rights have been so difficult to get and keep. We seem to lose three steps back for every step forward.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 08:40 PM
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17. I think a boycott from visiting Italy would be a good idea.
It is a hotbed of misogyny. And has been since the Romans took overran the Etruscans.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 10:39 PM
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20. should people boycott the United States with the death penalty and how many,especially black men
are in prison when they are innocent ? Troy Davis, wasn't there a case in Texas where a guy was executed also and probably didn't do the crime he was put to death for.

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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 08:07 AM
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31. If they want to..
Many europeans boycotted the country

when Bush was president.:shrug:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:24 AM
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28. I've been boycotting it since she was sentenced.
The whole thing was an appalling farce.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 10:52 PM
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21. I feel very sorry for the father of the murdered woman
I don't understand how he was manipulated in this situation but it's truly tragic that he was not led to the conclusion that Guede killed her.
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