HEADS UP: Daily Caller & others using this list of "demands" as official OWS

[K8-EEE]

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/\

Some poster put this up and now it is being passed around and ridiculed on the wingnut blogs (and no doubt they posted it in the first place.)

This tells me they are trying to distract from the official declaration.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

1. would be simpler to just do away with money altogether... nt

[chemp]

2. I've been debating a RW "friend" all day on FB

I keep saying it is PROPOSED, not real, and being ridiculed by the left for its far reaching requests.
He keeps countering with republican talking points. A few other friends are joining in.

[K8-EEE]

5. Purposeful distraction from the focus on banks and corporations

So obvious.....they really do not want to look at the real list of declarations!

[Modern_Matthew]

3. Anyone that would ridicule this list doesn't deserve to live here. nt

[K8-EEE]

4. This is a proposed list by one person

IMO it is purposely "controversial" & was created to distract from the DECLARATIONS that 99% would agree with.

[SpiralHawk]

6. ...and that One Person was an Occult Black-Ops RepubliCorp SockPuppet (R)

...deal with it. The world is flooded with paid, black-ops Republicon occultist scuzzbags who are intent on screwing up democracy, integrity, and the USA.

[K8-EEE]

7. ABSOLUTELY! That is my point.....

Counter with the real deal because this is what they DON'T want to deal with in the media:

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

[Luminous Animal]

9. So you are pleased with calling a small organic farmer in Massachussets a right wing operative.

Jesus fucking christ. Dozens of people have come out with a PROPOSED list of demands. That list is just someone's IDEAS.

The guy that you are accusing of being a right wing operative runs this farm:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marthas-Vineyard-Organics/103837453034705#!/pages/Marthas-Vineyard-Organics/103837453034705?sk=info

[K8-EEE]

18. Jesus fucking christ is right

First of all I never accused the person of anything but this list is only HIS wish list and should not be presented as representative of OWS.

[Luminous Animal]

20. You seemed to agree with SpiralHawk's characterization of him.

[Luminous Animal]

8. Really? Lloyd J Hart is an Occult Black-Ops RepublicCorp SockPuppet?

How do you know this?

Honestly, there is nothing wrong with that list of demands.

[K8-EEE]

10. Whether he is or isn't or whether there's anything "wrong" with the demands

It is a distraction from this, and I believe from the way it has been hijacked by the RW media, it could be a purposeful one.

http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

The conservative media does not want to deal with the declaration of occupation for many reasons. Of course they are going to try and distract, distract, distract. IMO when they try to hijack it people should return focus to what they DON'T want to talk about: corporate abuse of power.

[Luminous Animal]

11. It is one guy who wrote out his own ideas and clearly labeled them "proposed".

He never claimed that they were official and in fact the website states this:

"OccupyWallSt.org is the unofficial de facto online resource for the ongoing protests happening on Wall Street. We are an affinity group committed to doing technical support work for resistance movements. We are not affiliated with Adbusters, anonymous or any other organization."

I don't give a flying fuck what the conservative media does. The conservative media said that Al Gore invented the internet. That Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

If they want to bandy about this list of demands as "official", then let them.

It is deeply disturbing that one person expressing IDEAS is suddenly called a right wing operative.

[K8-EEE]

14. OK fine but

Sorry if you really don't think they would use these kind of tactics in a cynical way -- I would be shocked if they DIDN'T....

[Luminous Animal]

15. Hey look! Another guy wrote out his proposed lists, too!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-would-be-my-list-of-demands-if-i-ran-ows/

And look! Someone else posted the NYCGA declaration!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/

[K8-EEE]

16. Whether he is or isn't has nothing to do with the

misrepresentation by others that this list represents OWS.

[Luminous Animal]

19. Do you really care what the Moonie Times or Rush Limbaugh blabbers about what is official or not?

Correct the record, for sure, when you can but hell, they'll make fun of the declarations from NYCGA, as well.

[Luminous Animal]

12. You really need to take down or retract this accusation unless you've got proof.

[K8-EEE]

13. No I don't -- It is FOR SURE being used as a distraction by the RW and

It is a list proposed BY ONE PERSON not by OWS. My suggestion is that when people see this as a "list of official demands" they correct it and post the official declarations.

http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

[Luminous Animal]

17. My post was to SpiralHawk who made very severe accusations that appear to be untrue.

I see know problem with correcting the record and I don't give a flying fuck about the right wing. We spend so much time worrying what the right wing will think or do. Well, I say fuck 'em. Let's just keep on doing what we do and let them flog their fantasies.

[K8-EEE]

21. I respectfully disagree because

THE ONLY THING they are good at is twisting public opinion. Usually the deception only works for a short time but IT'S ENOUGH. (read: WMD, or Kerry's swiftboating nonsense.) This is their strength and high time we see when they are doing it and make sure the true message gets out!

[Luminous Animal]

25. So, people shouldn't post their ideas because of the right wing might lie?

Bullshit. No matter what comes out of this... declarations, demands, no demands, proposed demands... the right wing will do everything that they can to twist public opinion.

Everything in any situation. You can not back yourself in a corner worrying about what the right wing will do because, no matter what, they will do their malicious best to discredit even the most milquetoast list of demands.

[K8-EEE]

26. No but if you see those ideas being misrepresented

Say on Daily Caller as official OWS demands, then say something and post the declaration because they are really uncomfortable about that.

[SpiralHawk]

28. Apparently I went into knee-jerk bombast mode too damn fast on this

as LA points out. My apologies to the List of 'Proposed' Demands creator. So much darkside sockpuppetry out there that, when I see the Cons are having a feast on some phony-ass scrap of non-reality, I go into Deep Suspicion. Next time I shall take three deep breaths.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Hey, we get to issue lists of demands, now? Cool. Here's mine.

1) Single payer health care.

2) End the drug war. Legalize, regulate & tax marijuana.

3) 50% reduction in the military budget.

4) Restore the Bill of Rights, esp. Amendments 1 & 4.

5) reinstate Glass-Steagal.

6) tax upper income earners and corporations at a higher rate.

7) liveable minimum wage

8) if we're really worried about our kids competing for 21st century jobs, STOP LETTING FLAT FUCKING EARTHERS near our kids' science curriculum. If you don't accept the science behind evolution or global warming, you shouldn't be in charge of educating anything more intelligent than a schnauzer.

9) massive peaceful technological and infrastructure investment, everything from smart roads and metropolitan light rail to NASA. Emphasis on transitioning to sustainable, renewable green energy.

10) Once and for all, get the government out of the personal morality business. This means if 2 consenting adults of the same gender want to get married, mazel tov. If consenting adults want to watch movies of other consenting adults fucking, and Mother Jones, Noam Chomsky, Pat Robertson or Concerned Women of America don't like it, too fucking bad. Same goes for birth control and abortion. Also, if terminally ill people want a dignified, painless exit of their own choosing, THAT'S THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS. Obviously, this applies to the drug war (#2) as well.

11) Corporations aren't people until they can be sent to prison for injuring or killing folks. Capice?

[Luminous Animal]

23. No, no, no! You can't do that! Rush Limbaugh might falsely claim that they are official

and make fun of liberals! Waaaaaah!

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Let him.

My platform is so sensible, if he wants to give it a broader audience, even better.

[K8-EEE]

27. I much prefer your demands in fact

If listing demands could make it reality, I would go with yours! However like the other list it is an individual wishlist and not representative of OWS. True that we can't achieve such things without getting rid of undue corporate/lobbyist $$ etc., but one thing at a time.