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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:49 PM
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Link to Jared Loughner video tape that got him kicked out of college
http://www.tmz.com/

The guy doesn't sound crazy, he sounds sort of pissed.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 04:16 PM
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1. He doesn't sound sane.
Or all that bright, for that matter.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:31 PM
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22. Warrior 1, I agree and I posted a similar thread here ---


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=208472&mesg_id=208472


People were all over the place shouting that Loughner is insane. Unwittingly, they are supporting Sarah Palin's alibi that it was a lone nut and she had nothing to do with it nor did any of the other Republicans who fomented the atmosphere of violence and egged on people like Loughner.

I do NOT think he is insane. He sounds like a typical jaded, banal, poorly educated kid with a snotty smug know it all attitude and very poorly educated.


To me that is much more scary than saying he is insane, Palin's alibi.

We badly need better education in this country. That is not the only cause of Loughner's atrocity but it is part of it.


Glenn Beck would not be a huge success and he would not have a $32 million salary if it were not for the uneducated who follow him.



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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 04:27 PM
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2. self-delete
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 04:36 PM by chaska
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:02 PM
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3. You can be insane and pissed at the same time.
Even severely mentally ill people don't sound insane all the time

If you read Loughners writings over the last 3 years, witness the deteriorating reasoning as he plunged deeper into drug use and lucid dreaming on top of depression over isolation and chronic unemployment, its impossible to call that a sane person. His teachers and classmates saw it. His employers saw it. An internet poster who said he was qualified to recognize these signs saw schizophrenia and begged Jared to get back on his meds before he hurt himself or hurt someone else.

Add to that that the US Military, known for having very low acceptance standards, wouldn't admit him in time of war when they desperately need people.

Just so you know, both of his parents are bipolar. My belief is he inherited it and it was exacerbated by drug use + salvia + depression + unemployment + isolation + rejection + lucid dreaming + fantasy gaming. In the online gaming forum he frequented, he made a very clear post that he was going to bo play empire earth in the streets of tucson. I don't think this guy knew fantasy (lucid dreaming) from reality anymore.



Persistent Psychosis Associated With Salvia Divinorum Use


PETER PRZEKOP, D.O., Ph.D., and TIMOTHY LEE, M.D
Loma Linda, Calif.
To The Editor: Salvia divinorum (salvia) is a sage plant that is easily obtained in the United States. Its active ingredient, Salvinorin A, is a novel and highly selective pure kappa opiate receptor agonist with rapid onset and powerful hallucinogenic properties (1). Salvia has become increasingly popular as a drug of abuse when smoked. No long-term negative outcomes have been reported from the use of salvia. We present a case in which salvia precipitated persistent psychosis.


    "Mr. J" was a 21-year-old man with no family or personal psychiatric history or laboratory abnormalities. He was reported to have normal social interactions, behavior, and cognitive skills. He was transferred to our psychiatric unit for acute psychosis and paranoia, which occurred shortly after smoking salvia. In transport, the patient became suspicious and attempted to jump from the vehicle. Upon presentation, he demonstrated echolalia, paranoia, flight of ideas, and psychomotor agitation. The patient remained agitated for the first 2 days of hospitalization. He attempted to barricade himself in his room. Risperidone (3 mg by mouth/three times per day) was administered, and the patient was eventually stabilized. The dosage, however, resulted in the parkisonian features of rigidity, bradykinesia, and masked facies.
    Mr. J was transferred to the chemical dependency unit for further treatment. He was stabilized, and treatment with risperidone was slowly tapered. During the taper from risperidone, the patient continued to improve and manifested better insight and logical thought processes. He participated in group therapy and interacted with peers, and the parkinsonian features subsided. One day after risperidone was withdrawn, the patient’s symptoms abruptly returned. He became agitated, paranoid, and aggressive and believed he was able to project and receive thoughts. He returned to the inpatient psychiatry unit where risperidone (3 mg by mouth/twice daily) was reinstated. He was once again stabilized and transferred to the referring psychiatric facility for further treatment. At the 4-month follow-up, the patient exhibited no perceptible improvement.


    To the best of our knowledge, this is the first reported case of a persistent negative outcome from the use of salvia. We suspect that our patient was genetically predisposed to schizophrenia, and salvia precipitated the clinical manifestations. This may relate to the drug’s ability to influence dopamine levels in the brain and potentiate plastic changes in frontal lobe networks (3).


Previous studies have cited salvia as a potential treatment option for CNS illnesses (2). This is surprising, considering the paucity of research regarding its efficacy. Salvia’s ability to increase dopamine levels in the nucleus accumbens increases its potential for dependence. Consistently, patients at our clinic who have used the drug report that its psychological effects are abrupt and frightening. Clinicians should be aware that salvia use can be associated with psychiatric illness.


http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/166/7/832
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:22 PM
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6. He could not obtain the kind of help he so obviously desperately needed--but he got a repeating
weapon.

How messed up is that?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:32 PM
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10. I've not seen any evidence to support the idea that he couldn't
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 05:33 PM by LisaL
obtain help he so obviously needed. Has he tried to get help?
The college asked for a mental evaluation before he would be allowed back. He never came back and as far as I know didn't try to get a mental evaluation.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:40 PM
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16. You're best friend is on the floor, coughing up blood. Is it up to your BF to call 911?
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 06:05 PM by blondeatlast
Somewhere, somehow, someone could have gotten a social worker involved.

Even the college could have done that with a simple phone call. I've had to do that for a family member. Of course, even if that happened, Federal and state funding of quality care is a joke.

Even one Wal-Mart refused to sell him ammunition because he was acting so "off." I loathe Wal-Mart, but in this case they were smarter than the Feds and my own state of Arizona.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:55 PM
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19. But then a second Walmart sold him what he wanted.
Why is a store like Walmart selling guns and ammo anyhow?

Walmart, the Family Store where your friendly neighborhood killer can buy anything he needs to shoot up the local supermarket.

How much more family friendly can you get than that?

I wonder if America knows how insane it looks to the rest of the civilized world?
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Mr Generic Other Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:00 PM
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23. he left the first wal-mart
because the clerk was responding to slowly for him, according to the store cameras and the police reports.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:03 PM
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24. Cite? nt
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:32 PM
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11. Can't get mental health care, but can get a semi-automatic handgun
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 05:34 PM by upi402
Well, he may have had to sneak up and an elk that wandered into town, in order to feed his family. Cuz sometimes Safeway runs out of food.

ugh, stuck on stupid in the Land of the Free. Reagan closed the facilities that care for folks like him. So intake/evaluation programs is pointless now that there's little to no long term care.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:34 PM
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12. Very messed up. For the record, I'm an old time democrat, for gun control.
I agree with you, there's something seriously wrong with that.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:03 PM
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4. he sounds completely psychotic
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:11 PM
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5. He sounds like a person deep in the clutches of illness. Inconvenient for some, I"m sure
But the guy was *clearly* not tethered to reality by even the slightest of threads.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:25 PM
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7. He seems bitter more than anything else
I haven't seen this video but I've seen others and read some of his postings. I'm not an expert so I can't tell you where he is mentally but he does come across as very bitter.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:31 PM
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9. I suggest you watch the video before passing judgment
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:39 PM
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15. Video doesn't work for me
because I have a cheap PC. Youtube works for me so I'm sure they have it.

Anyways, I was actually trying to avoid passing judgment but my "he seems bitter" comment refers to other videos and postings. But I don't know him so I'll wait until more facts come forward.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:28 PM
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8. He sounds like an angry
person having a rant.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:36 PM
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13. Really?
"The war is illegal under the constitution because of the currency."

"The date is wrong. It couldn't possibly be that date. It's mind control."

"This is my genocide school."

"I'm going to be homeless because of this school."

Seriously--you don't think he sounds crazy? None of this thoughts are even semi-rational, he just sort of rambles incoherently--the currency, the war, freedom of speech, genocide, this book is illegal, etc.

And you don't think he sounds crazy?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:50 PM
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18. I think he sounds mentally ill, but there seem to be several vocal DUers at the moment who
vehemently disagree--there's another thread with the same "shrugging it off" attitude.
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:36 PM
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14. He appears to enjoy making a talking points nonsense word salad
Generously sprinkled with piss and vinegar.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:47 PM
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17. The bastard sounds like a run of the mill psycho, like when they interview
criminally insane inmates.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 06:04 PM
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20. he pronounces some words badly, except they almost make Freudian slips.
As though his newly learned so-called grammar keeps from freely expressing himself and the expression comes out by faux pronouncing words that do represent his feelings his new grammar cannot manage yet.
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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:04 PM
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21. He assigns blame to Pima College, the Government, and other people repeatedly
Just like the Tea Party assigns blame to President Obama, the Government, and the press.

I wonder who Jared learned that from?
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