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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:27 PM
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Poll: Obama’s approval rating ties all-time low - 38% 10/4 to 10/6 -- !!
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 08:42 PM by defendandprotect
Poll: Obama’s approval rating ties all-time low


As President Barack Obama struggles to pass his jobs bill and unemployment remains stagnant at 9.1 percent, the president’s approval rating has dropped again, tying the all-time low measured during his presidency, according to Gallup’s daily tracking poll.

Just 38 percent of Americans said they approved of the president’s job performance from October 4 to October 6, the lowest number Obama has seen.

The president’s approval ratings have hovered consistently around 40 percent since this summer, when he saw successively lower and lower numbers, hitting a new low multiple times.

The last time Obama’s approval ratings were recorded at this level was August 28, in the aftermath of the fight over the debt ceiling and Standard & Poor’s downgrade of the United States’ credit rating.

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-obama-approval-rating-ties-time-low-200208942.html


YIKES!!



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:32 PM
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:35 PM
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2. Ooops. Nt
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:40 PM
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3. Where's the list? We need the list of Obama's Wonderful Accomplishments
so we can all see what wimpy ingrates the general public are, not to revere him for all he has done for us.

It really pisses me off to see that the unemployed, the homeless, the disabled, the uninsured and underinsured and all the other excessively critical clowns and professional leftists are still demanding their ponies and rainbows.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:43 PM
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4. I have the updated List of Obama's Fulfilled Promises
1) Promised to take Michelle on a date

2) Promised to get the kids a dog

Fulfilled!
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:59 PM
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8. ok, so ending dadt
is chump change,. gotcha.

And yes, you may not like to hear this, but this does not stop it from being true, but enjoy the GOP presidency.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:03 PM
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10. Is that going to be his campaign slogan? Obama 2012 He ended DADT !!
Why does he want us to have a GOP presidency?
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:13 PM
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15. He does not
But many on the left do because they think one more GOP nut will make American finally listen to them. And ending DADT is more than many, including Hillary, would ever have been able to do.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:41 PM
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17. Why does Obama wants us to have a GOP presidency?
:shrug:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #8
49. No, it isn't...and we we have Holy Joe Liarberman to thank...he rounded up
the votes...as usual, when something is tough, Obama's on the sidelines.
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:20 PM
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86. I'm really not.
Thanks, though.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:21 AM
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37. LMAO!
I just laughed out loud by myself! :)
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:21 PM
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87. He kinda screwed up the dog thing too -
Instead of finding a hypoallergenic rescue he went with the "gift" of a breeder's dog. Yes, I know it was from Ted Kennedy. But it's the same statement as sending his kids to private school ...

Rescues and public school are fine for other kids ... but his kids get the "good" stuff.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:38 PM
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16. The Nobel Peace Prize not enough???
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. Well, English is my second language
(my first was incoherent babbling), so I'm not sure on this, but I think there is a subtle difference between an accomplishment and an award.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:48 AM
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51. like he deserved it..what a joke and he should give it back..nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:46 PM
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21. Dem pollster: "Atmosphere likely or inevitable to produce an independent prez candidate" -- !!!
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 10:54 PM by defendandprotect
The public has had it with Washington and conventional politics. It has lost trust and respect in the conventional governing class. There is mounting evidence voters As Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg argues, it seems likely if not inevitable an atmosphere this toxic and destabilized will produce an independent presidential candidate who could shake the political system.

http://news.yahoo.com/politico-primary.html

PS on this -- I read quickly and it's late, but don't think they carried thru on the need for a

candidate from the LEFT -- and that's what's being called for. Public is crying out for another

FDR -- and a true liberal.

Obama is too far to the right to be re-elected -- and certainly that suggests the last place

voters are going is further to the right with GOP!


AND ....


Don’t Mistake Occupy Wall Street for Team Obama

Occupation Up, Obama Down

Published on Sunday, October 9, 2011 by the Toronto Star/Canada

NEW YORK—The mushrooming Occupy Wall Street protests, now on the verge of spreading to more than 1,000 cities and towns across the U.S. and beyond, may have come of age this week.

Protesters fill Washington Square during an "Occupy Wall Street" rally in New York October 8, 2011. Billionaire New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg accused anti-Wall Street protesters on Friday of trying to destroy jobs in the city. REUTERS/Jessica Rinaldi But the second most interesting number (apart from the anger-tracking figures updated at OccupyTogether.org) is 38 per cent — President Barack Obama’s approval rating, according to the latest Gallup survey.


http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/09-0


No one could possibly deny that this is the LEFT out in the streets --

that OWS is the LEFT -- not even the GOP wouldn't try to deny it -- !!

Any suggestion that the LEFT would be moving to the GOP and further to the right would be

purely inane!!

Otoh, certainly corporate money supporting Obama is in the way of any challenger --


Here's another one --

And, again, what seems like a purposeful effort to deceive -- especially in suggeting

that the GOP is even in the running in California -- leave alone to capture the state!! ROFL

The headline is shown to be farce by the iformation in the article -- once again!


Obama approval tumbles in California: Is Golden State in play for GOP?

President Obama's fundraising trip to California this week comes as a key poll shows his approval rating in the Golden State falling below 50 percent. It suggests Obama has work to do, experts say.

But a closer look suggests that California is perhaps not as decisive as it might seem, experts say. With Democrats holding every statewide office here, recent history suggests Californians rally around Democrats when election day comes. And if Obama were to lose California, experts add, it would likely be only in a landslide scenario, where California would not be pivotal, but rather an emphatic punctuation.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/0927/Obama-approval-tumbles-in-California-Is-Golden-State-in-play-for-GOP


Of course you have to at least get to page 2 to read this . . .

A Republican strategist sees no possibility of a GOP sweep in 2012!!

The 2010 midterm election was instructive, he says. Nationwide, Republicans made huge gains in Congress and in statehouses, but in California, no Republicans won any statewide offices, and Democrats came within four seats of winning a two-thirds majority in the state Legislature.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/0927/Obama-approval-tumbles-in-California-Is-Golden-State-in-play-for-GOP/(page)/2


This is a liberal nation --

That's why we have RW political violence out in the open over 50 plus years -- it's

the only way the RW can rise here --

That's why we have a Goebbels' style corporate-press -- because any real challenge to

the RW would bring their house of cards down --

That's why the RW has to BUY government and its agencies and our candidates --

And that's why we've had electronic voting computers since the late 1960's!


Let's keep the message straight -- the LEFT is looking to move to the LEFT --

the LEFT is looking for a liberal candidate to replace Obama --

and certainly will have nothing to do with the GOP or any of their candidates --


Americans have woken up to corporate fascism and they understand that both parties are

involved ---

We need to find a Dem candidate we can implicity trust -- someone not pre-owned and

pre-bribed by corporate money.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:18 PM
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65. The federal move to go after the dispensaries
is really going to cripple him in California.

I have no idea what he's trying to pull there, but I'm totally opposed.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. It's really sad --
in the damage it does to suffering in CA --

but an obvious threat to any other state which thinks it can go in the

the direction of Medical Marijuana --

they know it's a huge barrier protecting the Drug War --


And, if you noticed the news the other day, they're now strongly moving

the Drug War even more globally!!



It's kind of like the Catholic Church having to stand by the ridiculous

position of "no artificial birth control" because it's the last barrier

protecting their ban on abortion!



As far as Obama, however, it makes clear to me that we need a Humanist

in the White House -- so much suffering in America from homelessness,

poverty, children in poverty, destruction of education -- health care --

and nary a peep out of him about any of this suffering!!

Shameless!!

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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:46 PM
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5. "Wall Street Protests Ignore Electoral Politics"
http://www.wnyc.org/articles/its-free-country/2011/oct/07/unlike-tea-party-wall-street-protests-ignore-electoral-politics/

The action has basically moved, as the awareness has spread that the system is deeply broken. Nobody is really expecting to solutions to come from electoral politics. People are disillusioned with Obama because the guy can't sail a broken ship, and now is the time when the Tea Party comes up to play "Pull my finger" one more time, and discover that it stinks just as bad when their guy/gal is at the helm of a broken ship.

But in the end, its really all positive. The power for the solutions we need have always been with the people, its just that now we are remembering that.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:07 PM
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11. NPR had on a WaPo columnists on who was going through poll numbers when
he stated that he found an odd number. He stated that four out of five American believe that neither party can fix our current problems.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. Yep, that's basically it.
The truth is, politics is simply moving in a new dimension from the past. The emotions behind OWS and the original Tea Party are similar. In fact in some ways Bi-Partisianship is stronger on the "lunatic fringes" than among "moderates": There is a sense that wherever we think we should be going, this is not it, and that's something everybody can agree on. So I think for everybody its about finding a way to get past this monolith of stagnation that's really holding our country back in any way we can, and the first step with that is returning power to the people.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #11
44. Eighty percent. People are finally waking up. nt
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #11
54. That's it in a nutshell: Our whole system is broken and corrupt. n.t
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #5
43. I LOVE your last sentence. n/t
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:47 PM
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6. Excuse me, sir. I think you forgot my change
:mad:
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:47 PM
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7. It's a Republican plot to make him look bad
Nt
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:11 PM
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13. WTF?
You mean they're not attempting to "make him look bad?"

Some ppl don't even try to hide it anymore. :eyes:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:02 PM
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9. Yeah, right, the same America that watches Fox News, more interested in Toddlers in Tiaras...
...than in politics.

*yawn*

:boring:

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:07 AM
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31. Well - wonder who that is out in the streets right now -- could it be the LEFT .... ???
Think you're thinking of the t-baggers --

and even with all Koch Bros. money they are pitiful!

Fox has had to fake video to make they even look like a crowd!


This is the LEFT standing against Wall Street and predatory capitalism --

and certainly they are not supporting Obama --

Nor are they moving any further to the right -- and certainly NOT voting for GOP!!


You remember the LEFT -- ? Looked under the bus lately?

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:41 AM
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40. His numbers are low because he's not far enough to the RIGHT for Americans.
The low information voting Americans who watch Fox News.

The ratings for various news shows tells a tale.

Now I will agree that a distinct intelligent lot from the left are also not happy with Obama, and should be, but they're not representative of Americans.

Being right doesn't correlate with being popular.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #40
48. Obama is at 38% because of his pro-corporate agenda --


This is a liberal nation with a HUGE liberal voting bloc --

and I'd suggest that the "news shows" you're watching are doing you a disservce.




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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:12 PM
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64. LOL!
First, I don't watch "news shows" but the suggestion you make made me smile.

:P

Second, this is really not such a liberal nation or we'd never ever have elected Bush one and his son, Bush two.

TWICE!

This is a stupid ass nation with people who think success is measured in the number of toys you own.

It's a nation of obesity, of selfishness, of ignorance.

We all wish that the nation shared our personal POV but it simply does not, not you and not I and not anyone on this board.

We are the minority, it's our task to enlighten.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. We didn't elect W Bush -- Gore won in 2000 ....
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 12:31 PM by defendandprotect
Again -- don't know where you're getting your "news/info" but you should look

for better information ---


This is a liberal nation -- in fact, a radically liberal nation -- 94% want a government

like Sweden's -- !!

80% of Americans want an end to the wars --

74% plus -- 83% of Catholics want government run health care -- MEDICARE FOR ALL --

Huge majorities want tax increases on the rich -- a return to progressive taxation.


Voting computers began to come in during the late 1960's -- I think we have to question

every election back to Nixon/Humphrey!

See VOTESCAM -- THE STEALING OF AMERICA *

written by two journalists in Florida who became concerned at the odd and unverifiable

election results being reported as computers began to come to Florida!

Their investigation begins in late 1960's !!

You can read the book at the website free -- but it's available here and there for $3 --

some libraries have it --




Certainly NOTHING about the LEFT out in the streets suggests "selfishness or ignorance" -- !!

Again - I think you're confusing the T-bagger crowds with liberals --


Amazed that anyone still believes the RW mmyth of a rightwing nation --

Beyond doubt this is a liberal nation -- radically so -- they well understand the stealing

of this nation from Native Americans -- the taking of most of the SW from Mexico --

and why immigrants would naturally try to return there --


Noam Chomsky, for one, frequently answers this question relating that elites do require

truthful polls to let them know where they stand --

Turns out the responses are shockingly leftwing --


The other point of reality is that the rightwing has -- as always -- only been able to rise

here based on 50 and more years of out in the open political violence --

Later -- computers and stolen elections --

and always RW propaganda which works, obviously!

All paid for with their wealth -- including the cover up's --

Needless to say, they could not survive the challenges if they didn't also control a

Goebbels' style press which protects them --

Every bit of truth is a threat to them -- like a pebble hitting a mirror it shatters their

myths!!


Again -- try some other news sources --





*http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #67
89. Pretty close to a win. How about his soaring positives post 911?
Were those numbers all about the vast progressive numbers in our enlightened and intelligent liberal country?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #89
93. If Mickey Mouse had been president, numbers would have been the same --
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 05:05 PM by defendandprotect
It was simply support for the nation vs a 9/11 attack they were lied to about --

another inside job --




If you're unaware, Gore won 2000 no matter how the votes are counted --

and certainly by more than a half million popular votes -- I think in the end

many more than that.



2004 was also a steal -- but based in Ohio --

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #40
66. So you're saying that one in five people who voted for him
expected him to be further to the right? :shrug:
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:10 PM
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12. i wonder when the repubs sat in a room...
together and strategized had they will beat Obama and block everything he wanted to get done by fillubustering (a record amount of time)....I wonder if they thought they would be this successfull in hurting Obama's approval numbers and getting liberals to blame not them but obama himself...they must be laughing all the way to the bank...or shall I say all the way to Obama's low approval numbers.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #12
55. Even if all of what Obama SAID he wanted passed
it would have fallen short of what is needed. He has the all rightward advisers, which HE HIMSELF picked. He shares the blame.

zalinda
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. that's right...
i fucking blame Obama for repub obstruction....those advistors are making decisions based on the reality on the ground and the political environment they live in (24/7 obstruction).
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #59
84. Seriously if Obama didn't want poll numbers like
Bush then he should have done more to change the policies that caused Bush to get those numbers in the first place.

Obama has done very little to advance a Progressive agenda. You can't rail against the wars as being unpaid for and yet you still continue the same wars and add more wars on top of them..... Obama is a fool if he ever believed that by following Bush precedent on wars and terror that the right would ever come to love him for it. He should have removed us from the wars and then he would have been on righteous footing and the money we saved could have paid for a jobs program without raising taxes in a recession or a bad economy or whatever.....

My thought is that Obama always seems to get his message screwed up with his policies. Sounds good but the actions don't equal the rhetoric.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:12 PM
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14. Unrec!!
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. Why? Poll wrong?
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. Tut, Tut! Mustn't point out the emperor's lack of attire! n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:42 AM
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:01 AM
Response to Reply #23
38. That's always a possibility, considering...
The Unrec!! had more to do with the celebratory nature of the OP !!

Did you have a problem with that?!!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #38
82. You just keep seeing bullshit that ain't there.
SO par the course for people like you. :rofl:
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #82
95. Well...I see your post.
Guess that makes you wrong.

:wtf: Did you get a kick out of yourself, or what?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:43 PM
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18. Yet most approved of the jobs bill
it seems when brought down to specifics, the voters approve.

IMO it's just the relentless negativity from the MSM and will go away when Obama is campaigning and more in the forefront. HIs ratings seem to go up the more visible he is.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. 80% of public want an end to the wars -- 74%+ want MEDICARE FOR ALL ---
And increasing taxes on the wealthy ---

Will of the people is being ignored on almost every issue --



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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. So true! The blind supporters forgot that!
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #22
45. Thank you. nt
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #18
56. We approve of oranges and disapprove apples
You're talking about two very different things: What Obama says vs. what he does.

I believe in all the things Obama believes. I'm just not sure HE believes them. His proposals may be good, but he's almost guaranteed to back down from every single one of them.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:07 PM
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25. If repubs mout a serious mainstream effort, Obama is in real trouble...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:58 PM
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29. Are you kidding? Do you see the LEFT out in the streets -- ??? They want a true liberal in WH -- !
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 12:02 AM by defendandprotect
These are people who stand against the RW -- and who will NOT be voting

for anyone on the right -- least of all the GOP!


They are standing against Obama's pro-Wall Street decisions --

against his pro-corporate policies --

"Occupiers are Up -- Obama is Down" --

This is the LEFT which Obama and Koch Bros. DLC Rahm Emmanuel threw under the bus!

This is a liberal nation --

This is a HUGE liberal voting bloc looking for a liberal candidate to rise --


What we need are two strong challengers who are anti-war ---

and who are strongly for MEDICARE FOR ALL --


And after that, ready to face the reality of Global Warming breathing down our necks!

An issue which has separated Obama/US from other nations which have long been ready to do so!



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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #29
32. I'm glad to see the protestors. I'm not sure they equall a liberal victory in 2012.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 12:30 AM by Skip Intro
There is the Socialist party. There are many "third party" options for them if they are fed up with Obama.

I don't see them having a huge impact at the ballot box next year. If this is a wave, it is the first wave. The stats-quo ship can take much rougher seas than this wave can create.

Future waves, we'll see.

In the end, barring a real challenger to Obama, these protesters will either not vote, or vote for Obama or vote for whoever the repubs nominate. In the case of this particular election, I would think an independent run by Ron Paul (or Alan Grayson) could throw everything up in the air. That said, I think this likely to be a traditional election, D vs R, with the outcome uncertain at this point, and not dependent on the OWS protesters or their supporters.

on edit: to elaborate on my earlier post - with Obama pulling such low numbers among those who should be rallying behind him, I think it very possible for Repubs to take the election if they can offer a serious candidate and a moderate message. This is politics.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #32
50. Obama's 38% is a call for a primary -- or Obama needs to step down -- one or the other --
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 09:42 AM by defendandprotect
I'm glad to see the protestors. I'm not sure they equall a liberal victory in 2012.

Well -- there was no victory for Obama or Dems in 2010, either -- a message by the voters

which was ignored by Obama and Dems.


And, you'd prefer that the LEFT -- a huge voting bloc -- move off to third parties rather

than see a challenger to Obama -- ???


In the end, barring a real challenger to Obama, these protesters will either not vote, or vote for Obama or vote for whoever the repubs nominate. In the case of this particular election, I would think an independent run by Ron Paul (or Alan Grayson) could throw everything up in the air. That said, I think this likely to be a traditional election, D vs R, with the outcome uncertain at this point, and not dependent on the OWS protesters or their supporters.

The LEFT is standing against Obama/Dems because of their pro-corporate/elite agenda --

How do you then add that up to suggest that the LEFT will vote for the GOP/right?

Some confusion there in your thinking, I must say.


Obviously, there's a strong demand for a Democratic challenger -- however it's also

clear that the corporate money backing Obama is preventing challengers from stepping up.


There will be no more "traditional elections" -- this is no longer about D's vs R's --

this is the LEFT vs corporate/fascism in America.

And, certainly, with computer voting we've had very questionable election outcomes

sinc ethe late 1960's!




PS --

In fact, two journalists in Florida began investigating those odd outcomes in the late

1960's -- and wrote a book about it --

See: VOTESCAM -- THE STEALING OF AMERICA

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

You can read the book free at the website --

but it's also available here and there for about $3 and some libraries have it



Thanks for the elaboration -- however, your conclusions that the LEFT will vote for the

RIGHT seems mass confusion ---

on edit: to elaborate on my earlier post - with Obama pulling such low numbers among those who should be rallying behind him, I think it very possible for Repubs to take the election if they can offer a serious candidate and a moderate message. This is politics.


Rather it is Obama who should be listening to the will of the people and not ignoring it --


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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #50
76. Obama should have gone liberal and shown more passion..
for what he believes in a long time ago. It's nice to hear now, but I hope it's not too late. My wingnut neighbors think the President is a Communist socialist anyway - so why not be truly liberal? That said, if the Repukes win this election, I think America may be doomed for a good long while. Bush nearly doomed us.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #76
94. Obama dropped the mask very quickly after the election ---
As Speaker Pelosi said some time later --

"Obama was for a lot of things when he was campaigning ... that he is no longer for!" --


Tell your neighbors that any form of dictatorship of totalitarian government isn't

socialism!!


Sadly, Obama is following too closely in Bush's footseteps!!

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #29
39. Congratulations!!
On being designated as Official Spokesperson of the LEFT in the streets !!111!!11!

No doubt you've earned the honor!!
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #39
52. defend and protect is stating what many of us believe...we are not blind or deluded
we are a part of the 99%..most of whom voted for change which we did not get
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #52
58. Misplaced rage IS blind AND delusional.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 10:24 AM by Bobbie Jo
I'm ALSO part of the 99%, and I promise you this poster DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME.

You twist yourselves into contorted pretzels to make this about ONE man. If that's not blind and delusional, I don't know what is.

btw...defendandprotect can defend and protect her damn self when she posts her OPINION.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. you are right, it's not about one man. it is about many who do not represent ANY of us
some of us choose to recognize that..some don't..i'm over rage and not twisted into anything. I happen to appreciate defend and protects posts. I recognized the hypocrisy of the current administration long ago. I'm disappointed and had hoped for change. Believing that we got it is what is delusional regardless of how much we hope. I'm sorry you don't agree, but posters like me, who say what we see, are not the problem. You are not the problem. The problem is why people are in the streets today. I've voted straight dem for 4 decades including in 2008. It doesn't seem to matter. The reason folks are upset with this one man, is that he had an unbelievable amount of support and squandered it. That's not our fault. We just get it.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. "unbelievable amount of support?"
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 12:51 PM by Bobbie Jo
Are you kidding me?? From DAY ONE the mission to rip this administration to sheds hit the ground running. We, WE did nothing but sit on the sidelines and provide a steady stream of ammunition. If only we weren't forced to govern with and IN SPITE OF republicans, we could have HAD IT ALL- !!

This administration was handed the most sorry state of affairs in this nation's HISTORY. The ridiculous degree to which each and every breath this man takes has been twisted and, yes PURPOSELY distorted is beyond belief. Don't believe me? Just take a quick read of your hero's posts. I'd be willing to bet that 95% of them are laser focused on one man, who apparently is expected to govern in a freakin' vacuum. The cumulative effect of this daily barrage is what you see now.

Just the other day, one such "poster" had a "critical" thread locked because it was an out and out LIE. What is that?? Somehow, this was acceptable? It must have been, they're still here and celebrated as a "progressive." Puhleeze. Some even resort to RW talking points without even realizing they're doing it. In fact, look no further than this very thread....I saw the same (exact) caption on a teabagger's shirt, FFS.

For people who profess to be so intelligent and savvy about how the world works, it's disturbing to see how easily some can be influenced.

Angry? Hell Yeah! Misplaced? Believe It!!
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. you're wrong in my opinion but i'll wait for you to figure that out
no one has influenced me other than the actions of this administration...wars, drones, no help for homeowners, no prosecutions for war crimes or wall street criminals although now it seems medical marijuana dispensaries will be subject to the doj, social security and medicare brought to the table for cuts, tim geithner and larry summers..please, it is important to stay current on events
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. Yes, you've recited the litany.
Almost in exact order. Thanks for demonstrating my point so succinctly.


.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. order of action from this admin..although i left out a few..care to address why
none of these actions have influenced your opinion?
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. In the order they were fed to you....
It helps to read more than strategically placed snippets, opinion pieces, bumper sticker slogans, and headlines.

Read the full article here:

www.feedmyconfirmationbias.com

Of course we know....most won't. K&R!!




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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. wrong again, my life has been seriously dramatically and at times i feel hopelessly affected
by the inactions or actions of this administration. Happy for you that yours has not.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Not so fast....
I lost my home AND business under GWB in 2007. I LITERALLY would not have survived another rethug administration.

My husband finally went back to work as a union pipefitter after months of no work. While he was on extended unemployment ( thank God) we managed to keep a roof over our head and feed our kids. My new job was a direct result of the expansion RHYA funding.

So how has "this" administration affected you?
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #80
91. at least that..and then some under gwb..and ongoing and then some under this administration
i'm not going into my story right now...Too sad and too long for Monday. Add health issues and no family and pride, self reliance and shock to the mix for me. The upside is no children to be conderned about feeding. There have been many ways to correct some of this economic fiasco which under current policies shows no end in sight. On top of the financial mess, the psychological stress of endless wars and drones and run amok mic in our names is tough. and its bs...and its killing us morally. No accountability for wall street crimes and war crimes is humiliating. I've been around a while..this is not my America.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:10 PM
Response to Original message
26. Unrec...nt
Sid
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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #26
83. LOL
You are unreccing because it contradicts the poll numbers you like to quote from weeks ago. Now that new poll numbers reflect the same perception as DU, you want to ignore them.

Looks like DU was simply ahead of the curve. We are the real world afterall.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #83
90. Thanks for reminding me to update the Gallup Weekly Presidential Job Approval numbers...
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 03:58 PM by SidDithers
Obama's job approval among Democrats is 76%, and DU still isn't the real world.

Sid
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:11 PM
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27. There's another all time low today in the RCP composite, so the Gallup result is not a fluke.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:59 PM
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30. shocking. lol. nt
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:33 AM
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33. But 175% of liberals will vote for him, so no big deal.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. Lol.
Btw, you have a very cool DU screen name.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:40 AM
Response to Original message
35. Impossible, I've been told here by the DU experts that he has a 1,545%
approval rating by liberals and other living (but lesser) creatures that voted for him last time. That should cancel out all negative numbers, ever.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #35
42. Wait, "only" 1545%
I thought it was eleventy-bazillion percent yesterday?
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:42 AM
Response to Original message
41. Don't worry. He'll okay Keystone XL and all the Republicans who are NOT
from Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, Oklahoma, and NM who stand to be ruined by any potential rupture into the Oglalla aquifer will flock to Him in support.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:03 AM
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46. He put Medicare and Social Security on the table. That killed him in the court of public opinion. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #46
57. And message of 2010 was ignored -- public knew Obama had ...
betrayed them on universal health care in back room deals with Big Pharma and

the private H/C industry!

And then Koch Bros/DLC Rahm Emmanuel even "crowed" about Obama having

"preserved the health care industry" and telling business how grateful they should

be to Obama!!


We also have Global Warming moving at an ever faster pace --

While Obama worked three new Bush trade agreements -- Panama, Colombia, Korea

Pushed even more oil drilling in Gulf -- and Antarctic --

And pushed for a new generation of nuclear reactors in America -- !!


YIKES!!!




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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:08 AM
Response to Original message
47. The GOPers Trying to Buy the Election once more with This kinda garbage
Obama will wipe the floor with the GOPer Crop...none having BALLS of the right size
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #47
53. many of us believe the gop and the dems represent the corporations
unfortunately
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #53
92. Fave Ploy of the GOPers....everyone does it...includes them DEMs TOO.....
its a tactic most Bullies use when cornered...."its THEM TOO"

Its called sharing GUILT...
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:54 AM
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61. ********************GALLUP IS AN OUTLIER IN THIS WEEKS POLLING****************
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 11:54 AM by uponit7771
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Even Rassmussen has Obama in the low 40s which is VERY electable seeing Bush's numbers were this lower during his re-selection year
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:09 PM
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62. Bush never won a clean presidential election
No one is going to help Obama like Ken Blackwell helped the Frat Boy in 2004.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #61
73. ROFL -- Not exactly .... Rasmussen Obama Approval Index at -20 and ....
From October 10, 2011

There's a huge "grasping at straws" qualifier in the question by Rasmussen --

NOT a definite approval rating --

but an "at least somewhat approve" rating!!

:rofl: --


Let's also remember this is the second time in a week Obama is BELOW 40% --

and Rasmussen didn't seem to pick up that DIP, either!!




According to Rasmussen ...

Overall, 42% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's job performance. Fifty-five percent at least somewhat disapprove. The president earns approval from 39% of men and 45% of women.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Looks like Rasmussen is grasping at straws to make Obama look better --

but the RW WSJ and Washington Post certainly like Rasmussen -- !!

The Wall Street Journal has called Scott Rasmussen “America’s leading insurgent pollster” and the Washington Post says he is a “driving force in American politics.”


ahem ...



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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #61
78. Good point. nt
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:09 PM
Response to Original message
63. Stop the wars NOW! Stop the attacks on Social Security NOW!
Raise taxes on the rich NOW!

Healthcare for all NOW!

Make the minimum wage a living wage NOW!

Debt holiday for the 99% just like Goldman fucking Sachs, houses and student loans at minimum, NOW!

Sign the Glass–Steagall Act back into law NOW!

Kill the Bush tax breaks for the rich NOW!

Stop job killing free trade agreements NOW!

The vast majority of Americans want the above done yesterday! We thought we were voting for a man that would do those things! Stupid us eh?:banghead:

I can't imagine why the President's numbers are in the toilet!:eyes::eyes::eyes:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #63
71. +1
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:00 PM
Response to Original message
70. Well, at least he has the Conservative Democratic vote locked in - can he get elected on that?
I guess there must be a lot more Conservative Democrats out there than I thought if the President's depending on them to get himself re-elected.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
81. The "Jobs Bill" is about "jobs"...
...like the "Clear Skies Initiative" was about Clear Skies,
and the "Patriot Act" was about Patriotism.

The "Jobs Bill" is about:

*De-funding Social Security

*MORE Free Trade

*Tax Cuts


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:16 PM
Response to Original message
85. I don't give a flying rat's ass what Gallup has to say...
They never come close to the other polls.
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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. Yes, it's best to ignore
any data which doesn't fit the narrative.
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