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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:28 AM
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Occupy Wall Street Protests: The Already Accomplished
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:27 AM by Hissyspit



The Occupy Wall Street Protesters are not doing it perfectly. Why? Because there is no such thing as "perfectly" here.

The Occupy Wall Street Protesters are mixing up their messages and confusing everyone, we are told. Who is their leader? (Why is there assumption that there should be one?) What exactly do they WANT? Why can't they give me a laundry list!?


Reuters/Stephen Lam

When I was a child, and my father was off on a tour of duty in Vietnam, my mother, a young Army wife and mother of two, three, then four children, did not understand, based on discussions I have had with over the years, the protesters in the streets at the time. "Why were they there?" she was probably asking herself, as she read the newspaper and watched the nightly news. Why were they doing this? A few years later, if you talked to her, or if you were to talk with her today, she would say that she understood or understands EXACTLY what they were doing and what they wanted. And you won't find her criticizing the Vietnam War protest movement. (You can't talk to my dad. He died a few years ago from lung cancer after spending a couple of years in his youth inhaling a carcinogenic defoliant used by our government in another country. Yeah, he smoked a lot, too. He had a drinking problem, as well. They were pretty much under control in his later years. Read whatever cause-and-effect into you will. I can't necessarily say you are right or wrong.)

How much of the critique of Occupy Wall Street is false marginalization tactic? How much stems from real confusion brought about by the protest movement's activities? How much is real confusion brought about by honest but unnecessary ignorance?

The Occupy Wall Street protests have been met with conscious marginalization tactics, some of the tactics dating back centuries, some arising in the last few years. The Occupy Wall Street protests have been met with stereotyping. With hypocritical co-opting of critical approaches. With faux and real confusion about the messages, with cynicism, and with, frankly, just-plain-lazy-ass analysis from reporters and pundits. Yes, of course there is confusion and conflation - it's about things like credit-default swaps and derivatives and Casino Nation. Of course, there is confusion and a lot of different messages on the handmade cardboard signs. But, seriously, media folk, just go to friggin' Wikipedia if you don't get the fundamentals: "The participants of the event are mainly protesting against social and economic inequality, corporate greed, and the influence of corporate money and lobbyists on government, among other concerns. Adbusters states that, 'Beginning from one simple demand – a presidential commission to separate money from politics – we start setting the agenda for a new America.'"



There have been failed protest tactics throughout history. There have been failed protests movements. No one is arguing that this is not true. Claudette Colvin gave way to Rosa Parks. Not everyone agreed on the tactics of the Civil Rights movement OR the Vietnam War protest movement. The Bush years taught us that, as with everything, when it comes to social progress, all is PROCESS. Tactics that worked in the past won't necessarily work the same way in the future. But, despite the deliberately or not dismissive and derogatory anti-protest messages, and despite the general cynicism, and, yes, real honest critical concerns about how this will play out, about what all this IS... Despite all this. Let's say this all disappears tomorrow, through malevolently effectively forced or just natural attenuation...

These Are Things That The OWS Protesters Have Already Accomplished:

  • Brought together Americans from all walks of life out into the streets, no matter how much some may have tried to stereotype them.


    David Shankbone

  • Brought the pundit and politicians apologists out of the woodwork to document exactly which side they are on and to reveal their motivations and agenda.


    Paul Weiskel

  • Proven the viability of large-scale social media-based dissent organization here in the United States.


    Paul Weiskel

  • Drawn out absurd, telling defensive reactions from the 1% and their obsequies servants.



  • Brought many citizens out of their complacency to engage others about these issues.

  • Expanded, starting from almost nothing with essentially no mainstream coverage at all, to dozens of communities around the country.


    Reuters/Stephen Lam (San Francisco)

  • Created "occupations" and demonstrations that are STILL on-going and growing.


    Mario Tama/Getty Images

  • Drawn inappropriate, overreactive and unbalanced crowd-control responses from law-enforcement, and made viral the documentation of such.


    David's Camera Blog

  • Connected the issues of the ongoing Bush tax cuts, current tax rates, our expensive ongoing wars, attacks on unions, and the devastating and unfair medical insurance system in this country to the corrupted political/economic system in this country.


    Spencer Platt/Getty Images

  • Demonstrated the continued (despite the shaming of the Bush war years) inbred corruption of our corporate-based mainstream media, and essentially forcing them to cover a story, however badly or "spin-fully," that they didn't really want to cover. That these organizations, indeed, do see these issues and problems as "abstract."

  • Made it clear to anyone who is WILLFULLY trying to understand that this is about corruption of a broken system, that the protesters want ACCOUNTABILITY, and true, meaningful, fair and lasting regulation of the lobbying and financial industries.


    The Rude Pundit

  • Communicated to the rest of the world that not every American is fine with what Wall Street has been allowed to do to the world.


    Paul Weiskel

  • Facilitated in many areas of U.S. discourse unavoidable discussion of the vast unprecedented inequitable transfer of wealth that has been occurring, with policy orchestration, in addition to the daily down-and-dirty corruption, over the past several generations.

  • Made iconic a memorable slogan: I Am The 99%.


    Andrew Holbrooke/Corbis
  • Created an historical and now well-documented and REAL symbol of reality-based dissent for our time.

Despite all this, they just haven't done it quite right, and most certainly not perfectly, and nobody knows how it is all going to end up, and plenty still don't get it (obviously, they NEVER will, right?), and it will eventually just peter out, so they probably shouldn't be doing it at all.

Right? Sure. Ask my mom about the Vietnam War.

Why do people want SOMETHING? We haven't fixed our financial crisis, according to author Michael Lewis ("Liar's Poker," "The Big Short"), who says that Wall Street (which in recent years seems to have become, he terms, "an engine of unfairness"), where "people are paid more than anyone in the society because they supposedly know what they are doing with money" - Wall Street "orchestrates the biggest misallocation of capital, of money in the history of the world, and pay themselves an awful lot of money while they're doing it." And then were essentially bailed out of their own mistakes with taxpayer money. For people outside, "it looks like socialism for capitalists," he explains.

How do you make people aware of all this, or more aware of all this, or get a Presidential Commission, or do any of the things on the list above? At some point, it comes down to the Todd Rundgren rule: What do we do now? Something/Anything. Speaking up about this continuing egregiously flawed and essentially POLITICAL situation IN ANY ORGANIZED WAY is something important and it has been accomplished. It has begun the attempt to set an agenda for the new America, in SOME way.

It is not the job of the protesters to draft legislation.
- New York Times Op/Ed, Oct. 8, 2011

It is unfair and in fact disgusting that the American political economy is run for the benefit of a plutocracy. I don't see how that can be misunderstood.
- Todd Gitlin, Oct. 9, 2011

Let me tell what they're talking about. They're complaining about the fact the Wall Street wrecked the economy three years ago and nobody's held responsible for that. Not a single person has been indicted or convicted for destroying twenty percent of our national net worth accumulated over two centuries. They're upset about the fact that Wall Street have iron control over economic policies of this country and that one party is a wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street and the other party caters to them as well, that's the truth of the matter...
- Alan Grayson, Oct. 7, 2011

“Why are they protesting?” ask the baffled pundits on TV. Meanwhile, the rest of the world asks: “What took you so long?” .... Let’s treat this beautiful movement as if it is most important thing in the world. Because it is.
- Naomi Klein, Oct. 6, 2011

Here, media folks and P.J. O'Rourke. Here. Go here:

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com

"The richest 20% of households own 85% of the wealth." - Time Magazine Cover, Oct. 10, 2011 Issue.

Would this cover have been published without the Wall Street Protests?




-I am $92,000 and rising in defaulted student loans.
-Lost financial aid during my LAST semester of my BFA (just taking electives to finish the degree)
-Now, I cannot complete my education— EVER. No Masters for me, no PhD for me. EVER.
-I’m disabled from PTDS/Depression/Major Anxiety/Agoraphobia and more- CANNOT work.
-I’m being evicted mid-November w/my 2 companion animals out onto the streets.
-I have NO family and NO ONE to take me in; my social worker never even called me back!
-My blood pressure was158 over 106- HIGH.
-I don’t earn enough from Soc. Sec. Disability (750/mo. and $48 in food stamps/mo.) to even rent a room anywhere.
-I wish I were dead.

I am the 99 percent.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:31 AM
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1. K&R
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:50 AM
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2. This may be the best thread I've read here so far on the Occupy
movement. An emphatic K&R (and this should stay kicked tomorrow also).
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:58 AM
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3. Go you have a link for your teabagger media graph?
BTW, excellent post. The beginning is here! Can the people shape history? If not, I can see no hope.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:07 AM
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5. It's from the Occupy Wall Street Wikipedia page:
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:47 AM
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8. Thanks. n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:56 AM
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9. Which links to this Nate Silver article showing that police clashes are what spurs the coverage:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/police-clashes-spur-coverage-of-wall-street-protests/

And people call resisting the police a form of false flag or CONTELPRO. No that's what they want you to think. Having sporadic non-violent clashes with the police (civil disobedience like sit ins or walking in the street) will get you coverage.

The Civil Rights movement knew this all too well.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 02:00 PM
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65. And real and substantive change in this nation...
did not take place until the riots following the assassination of MLK.

Anyone who tells you different suffers from anal-cranial impaction disorder.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:07 AM
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4. One of the most powerful posts on DU I've seen.
You've expressed the essential in striking words and images.

I'm proud to be part of this awakening with people such as you.


:patriot:
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:08 PM
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52. I totally agree
I love that the Don't Tase Me Bro poster is being used btw :)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:21 AM
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6. Well done!
K & R

:kick:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:37 AM
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7. Supposed to be "obsequious."
Auto spellcheck strikes!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:02 AM
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10. Robert Longo: Corporate Wars - Walls of Influence (1982)
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 04:02 AM by Hissyspit
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Dont call me Shirley Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:01 PM
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38. Because the 1% are too stupid to know compassion, something the 99% understand
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 04:01 PM by Dont call me Shirley
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:03 AM
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11. I needed a little encouragement lately
Best post I've seen since I started using this site.

What has OWS accomplished? Changing the conversation. And that's something the left has failed at for years.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:12 AM
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16. Glad to be of service.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:10 AM
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12. Recommend
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:37 AM
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13. Excellent post
Rec
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:01 AM
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14. I totally identify with the woman in the first photograph
That's me. Only unless something completely unexpected happens to change my life I'll be forced to work for the rest of my life. Or at least as long as I can. After that, I have no idea what will happen. Maybe after all the struggle in the end I'll end up homeless anyway.
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RevStPatrick Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:11 AM
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15. Excellent work!!!
P.J. O'Rourke... Pfffft... What a maroon...
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:15 AM
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17. K&R for an excellent and epic journalistic endeavor of a post!!
:applause:

:kick:
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:21 AM
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18. This movement is a good start.
Capital is not going to give up easily - but we have numbers. If we keep this leaderless and non-partisan we have a shot at building a strong resistance. It won't happen in a few months, but with each occupation we'll get stronger. Thanks for your documentation. K&R
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:22 AM
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19. WooHoo!
:woohoo: GREAT POST!!!!! And thank you hissyspit for taking time to put all that together. :hug:
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:03 AM
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20. Kick for the West Coast morning crew.
This is just too good to miss.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:32 AM
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21. Where and when is that pic of the pilots from?
Good work putting this all together. Heading down there in a bit...

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:57 AM
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25. Wall Street, September 27, 2011
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 09:58 AM by Hissyspit
If my memory serves me correctly. I'm thinking of being there this weekend. We shall see.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:13 AM
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27. Wow!
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 10:20 AM by cui bono
Surprised the pilots were down there so early on. Looks great to see them out there in their uniforms!

Edit... I've really lost track of time. I thought that was just after the first weekend, when I was there and there weren't that many people. Great to see!





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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:47 AM
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22. Kick and thank you for an excellent presentation! n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:53 AM
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23. Great thread Hissyspit!
K & R!
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:53 AM
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24. Brilliant. K&R n/t
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Billypenn Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:01 AM
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26. The message is loud and clear
there is no reason to "define" it. 99% says it all.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:26 AM
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28. Very good post, very good work.....K&R (wish rest of US journalist would use this as an example)
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 10:27 AM by uponit7771
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:34 AM
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29. k&r
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:35 AM
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30. I give them all sorts of props for bringing attention
to this and ESPECIALLY bringing to the attention of the average American the interrelationship between economics, politics, and power.

I also give them props for laying out a laundry list of systemic grievences that cover all sectors of the economy, albeit without naming the beast. *Psst, OWS, it's called capitalism.*

Now what are they going to do about it?
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:51 AM
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31. K&R
:thumbsup:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:04 AM
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32. Bravo, bravo, bravo!
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:08 AM
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33. IMO, "Perfectly" = the "Nothing But The Best For The Oppressed"
mentality.

Waiting for "the best" is not a possibility here, since "the best" are all too often not available.

"Perfectly" doesn't mean shit if people are really that desperate. "Good-enough-for-the-time-being-until-we-get-it-right" is the best we can get right NOW.

The late, great feminist lawyer Flo Kennedy once said:
"Just by doing nothing, the bullshit mountain grows and grows. Chocolate-coated, of course.
We must take out our teaspoons and start digging out. We can't wait for shovels"


Fuck the criticism. Keep it up, OWSers.

:thumbsup:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:30 PM
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34. I'm stealing that.
:D
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:27 PM
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35. K & R
thank you Hissyspit

excellent picture essay (forwarding)
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:52 PM
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36. k & r !! n/t
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:52 PM
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37. k & r !! n/t
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:08 PM
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39. Terrifically moving post, Hissy.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:10 PM
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40. k&r. .Thank you. . . . n/t
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:13 PM
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41. Fantastic. "It's not the job of protesters to draft legislation." And Grayson's take is dead-on.

Loved the way he dismantled snide, mocking, clueless P.J. O'Rourke on Maher's show.

O'Rourke, "... you didn't pass Econ ..."
Grayson, "I was an economist for three years."
O'Rourke, "...(tries to play it off as though he had not just been smashed to putty) "

(from memory of a video clip -- exact words not guaranteed)

It's great that people are asking what OWS wants. Let them ask, as the numbers grow. Let them ask, as the streets and parks fill with people. Let them ask and ask and keep asking, until they're screaming, demanding to know WHAT THOSE PEOPLE WANT.

And then I think, they'll start to answer their own questions pretty quickly.



- Wonderful post.
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Utopian Leftist Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:16 PM
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42. Brilliant post!
I love the smell of revolution that is in the air today. Having lived through the revolution of the 60's & 70's, I did not think it possible that I'd see another in this lifetime. So happy to be wrong about that.
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BrendaBrick Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:49 PM
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43. HUGE K&R YouTube Video: Tom Petty/HeartBreakers - "Won't Back Down!"
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 04:59 PM by BrendaBrick
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:57 PM
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44. HUGE K & R !!!
:kick:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:23 PM
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45. kr kick --
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:51 PM
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46. I am the 99%. k&r
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Remember Me Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:21 PM
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47. WONERFUL, with one significant correction;
Make that HUNDREDS "of communities around the" WORLD.

You have built a wonderful piece of documentation here. Salute!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:22 PM
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48. K&R
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:05 PM
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49. KandR
Thank you.



peace~
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:32 PM
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50. Thank you, Hissyspit
We needed to see this. You are spot on.

I am the 99%!!!!
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concord Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:44 PM
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51. Thank you!!!
Excellent work.
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Dutchmaster Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:11 PM
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53. Thanks for the work in putting this together.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:22 PM
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54. K&R n/t
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:50 PM
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55. Thank you for this. The world is watching.
The world is rooting for the 99%.
The world is the 99% when you think about it.
The world is watching.
Never forget.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:52 PM
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56. Now there's a list we can believe in.
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Muskypundit Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:34 PM
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57. Beautiful analysis. Wonderful post.
Been lurking for many years and I have to say. This is one of, if not the, best posts I have read. On and off DU. Hard to dismiss anything you wrote. Thank you, and may this spread.

I dont think it is possible for the amount of recs to translate into how truly great and.... big this post is.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:48 PM
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58. Good work, H.
K&R Thanks.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 12:12 AM
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59. Outstanding, Hissyspit -- thanks! nt
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 12:35 AM
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60. K & R -- Great OP, Hissyspit
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 12:43 AM
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61. 8+ years on DU and this post brought a tear to my eye.
Something is finally happening.

I came to DU in 2003 protesting the Iraq war & the progress that has been made by the real left has been great...unrecognized, but great.

I was there for Occupy Los Angeles and will be there again next weekend.

Thank you for this post.
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TenPercentRule Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 12:44 AM
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62. wow
great post!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:06 AM
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63. This is beautiful. These people make me proud to be an American!
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:57 PM
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64. I read these letters...
Edited on Tue Oct-11-11 02:02 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
And I wonder how Madame Guillotine is doing. Is she still in good voice?
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