Fight over dead deer leaves 2 hospitalized

[Township75]

Source: 69 News

LEHMAN TWP., Pa. -
A fight between two hunters over a deer carcass has left two people hospitalized.

State police told The Times-Tribune of Scranton the incident happened on Saturday in Lehman Township, Pike County.

They said Jason Frey, 33 from Bethlehem, claimed he shot a deer and tracked it to property owned by Anthony Contino Sr., 48.

Contino said he told Frey that he and a friend shot the deer earlier in the day, and he said he told Frey to leave his property

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I'm not posting this as an attack on hunters. I am posting it as a WTF is wrong with people???

[htuttle]

1. Just another day on the Planet of the Apes..

[izquierdista]

2. Update

While the two jackals were yipping, a lion came by and dragged off the carcass.

[morningglory]

3. Could alcohol be involved? And could they have BOTH shot

the same deer at different times? Anyway it's brilliant.

[Po_d Mainiac]

4. dumb fucks didn't know the protocal for settling the dispute

settle it country-style
Fella goes duck hunting out in the country, and spends the whole day without seeing a single duck. Finally, as the sun is setting, he spies a single duck flying away from him, and he shoots it down just before it passes out of sight. Excitedly, he runs off into the brush, hops a fence, finds the duck and scoops it up triumphantly.

“Hey there!” calls a voice, “that’s my duck!”

The hunter turns to see a very large farmer looming up behind him.

“No it’s not, I just shot it!” exclaims the hunter.

“Well, it’s on my land, so it’s my duck. I reckon we’ll have to settle this country-style,” the farmer said gravely.

“Country style?”

“Yep. First I kick you in the nuts, and then you kick me in the nuts. And we keep taking turns until someone gives.”

The hunter reluctantly agrees, and the farmer takes a dozen steps back, runs up to the hunter and kicks him square in the balls as hard as he can. The hunter crumples to the ground, reeling. Minutes pass, and finally the hunter can muster the strength to stand.

“Okay,” croaks the hunter, “my turn.”

“Nah, you can have the duck.”

[COLGATE4]

5. And the worst part is that the smartest of the 3 was the deer.

[Historic NY]

9. ROLFMFAO.......

I know the story....

[iamthebandfanman]

6. darn,

if only they were real men and settled it with the guns they like to kill things with.

[fasttense]

7. Did you hear about the hunter who shot someone's goat and thought it was a deer?

The hunter drags the tagged goat carcass back all proud to show off to his buddies. Only to be made fun of when they break the news to him that it was a goat.

There should be a test for hunters. They should have a higher IQ then their prey.

[freedom fighter jh]

8. Maybe they're all unemployed . . . and hungry n/t

[FourScore]

10. That was my first thought.

Let's not start bashing hunters. (Like the OP says -- that's not the intent of this thread.) Besides, unless you're a vegetarian, you got nuttin' to say!

[tuckessee]

13. Not likely at all.

I've met hundreds and hundreds of deer hunters and not a single one of them hunted because of being poor and hungry. They were all thrill killers. Most had hunting equipment (rifle or bow, camo clothes, tree stands, etc) whose resale value would feed a family for weeks.

[AlecBGreen]

22. you've met HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS

and not ONE hunted for meat? They were ALL thrill killers? :eyes:

[MedicalAdmin]

28. I used to have to put on an orange vest just to get the mail.

I was teaching in a poor rural area, and although many of the families didn't have a pot to piss in, almost all of them had a new pickup, several new snow mobiles, a 4 wheel off road vehicle for every member of the family and lots of hunting gear. And yes, there was a beer cooler strapped to the back of every vehicle.

AND yes, a few of them did hunt for food and had modest gear, mostly invested in warm clothes and a good rifle. It was pretty easy to tell the difference. And it was pretty easy to find the ones you would trade with for good deer sausage during the winter. And it wasn't the ones with the fancy rigs.

[RebelOne]

29. Yup. You are exactly right.

Before I was laid off, I was a copy editor for hunting and fishing magazines across the country. I must have read thousands of hunting stories, many of them told firsthand by the hunters. And none of them hunted for food. Most of it was thrill killing for trophy deer.

[formercia]

35. I've been shot at mistakenly by other Hunters, more times than I've fired at Game.

None ever hit me, though one pumped 5 or 6 rounds into the tree I was laying down next to.

[aikoaiko]

31. I don't know who you hang out with, but I don't know a single hunter who doesn't supplement the..

...the family freezer with their hunted hogs and deer.

I'm sure there are thrill hunters who do it just for sport, but the average hunter.

Gear is sometimes borrowed (even I loaned out a .308 to someone) or bought during good times and they get used over and over.

[Scout]

33. just because the HAPPEN to eat what they kill, does not mean they are/are not

primarily hunting for the thrill of it.

Dahmer ate his kill, too.

[Aerows]

17. Agreed, but they should have split it

There is PLENTY of meat from a deer.

[JVS]

21. Probably just a pissing contest between "this is my property" and "that is my deer".

"

[rug]

11. I live in Pike County. This is my jury pool.

:banghead:

[LiberalFighter]

12. If it was on my property I have the hunter arrested for trespassing.

I thought hunters had to get permission to hunt on private property.

[tuckessee]

15. Not when chasing animals they have wounded.

A hunter can use a knife to finish off a wounded deer on your front porch if that's where the deer is.

[JVS]

20. And since it is bow hunting season, the chances of wounding rather than killing are a bit higher.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

25. Is that some sort of law?

[Angry Dragon]

34. A legal hunter is required to track down all injuried game

so they do not suffer
It goes along with the purchase of the license

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. Well that answers PART of my question.

I still wonder what right someone has to get all deer stabby on my front porch (per the other poster's assertion).

[happyslug]

38. Traditional English Common Law rule, which is still the law in most states.

You have to remember under the Common Law, the only Criminal Trespass was if you entered the "close" of someone's house (i.e. the yard) or some locked structure. It was NOT criminal to entered property without the permission of the owner. Now it was viewed as a Civil Trespass, but the damages under Civil Trespass was for damage done by the Trespasser. and in most hunting situation there were and are no damages to the real estate.

Furthermore under the Common Law, Game belonged to the Crown (Now the State) NOT to the owner of the land the game was on (this clearly has been the law since the time of the Norman Conquest in 1066, some evidence it predates that date). Thus you had the right to enter lands owned by another, and hunt and unless you did actual damage to the property, you were NOT liable to pay the owner anything for the trespass.

Now, starting in the 1890s, and then only as an anti-unionization law, Criminal Trespass was expanded to any area with a fence OR with a sign saying "No Trespassing". It is clear by the people who pushed for the change in the law as to criminal trespass that the change was aimed at people like Mother Jones and other union organizers who would entered onto the property of coal owners to talk to the coal miners about joining a union. Under the Common Law, this was legal until the States changed the law, thus we have today's Criminal Trespassing law.

This history has caused some problems. Under traditional interpretation of Statutory Law modification of Common Law Rights, such statutory changes must be construed narrowly i.e. anyway around the statute is permitted unless the way around the Statute also violates the Common Law. Courts, often controlled by Industry and the Mining industry, dislike this rule and thus did and do they best to work around it. Thus criminal trespass in the US is a mess, up to the Judge hearing the case if someone's act violates the Criminal Trespass act.

In this case, the issue will be was the hunter in the "Close" of the land owners property? Furthermore the Common Law permitted people to recover their personal property which is on the lands owned by another, and the only liability incurred is do to any damage to the real estate. The Common Law also says once you shoot an animal, it is yours unless some other hunter shoots it when it is still alive after you and he gets to it first. In this case THAT is NOT being claimed, the owner of the Land is saying it is his game for it is on his property. That is NOT the Common Law rule as explained above. Unless the State modified the Common Law rules as to hunting the land owner had no rights to the deer, once shot, the deer belonged to the Hunter. As in the case of any other piece of personal property the only liability the hunter has was to any damage caused to the property of the land owner.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

41. People like you are why I love DU. Thanks for your insight.

One point. It appears the land owner is claiming ownership because he (the land-owner) claims he shot the deer.

[plumbob]

14. Not very good hunters if they could only hospitalize each other.

The deer probably died from old age; neither of these dumbfucks have the wherewithal.

[Aerows]

16. Couldn't they have just split it?

I swear, there HAD to be some alcohol involved in this one. It's not like when you get a deer there isn't so much meat you have to give some of it away, lest the freezer be full. When did working together become anathema in this country?

[JVS]

18. Yes, but not really.

In PA a hunting license only permits you to kill a single deer. So even if they agreed to split the carcass, they'd have to ascribe to deer to one of the people, The point at which they agree to that also happens to be the point at which the other person loses any credibility to claim part of it. They should have called a game warden. I'm very skeptical about the farmer's story. If he had already killed the deer earlier in the day, then he already should have had his kill tags on the deer, also the deer should have already been dressed (butchered).

[cwydro]

19. I've finally managed to keep some hunters

from hunting on our property. Discovered a tree stand barely 75 feet off our property line and with a direct sight line onto it. I told the guy he best not be shooting deer on our property and got a lot of crap.

We put up tents and told him kids would be playing up there...scattered some soccer balls around and some other stuff. Told him he'd better be careful.

The tree stand is gone now.

[Dogtown]

23. Excellent solution!

:applause:

[barbtries]

24. the answer to your question is

quite a lot.

[undeterred]

26. I'm just feeling so proud its not Wisconsin.

But then its not hunting season yet.

[Lithos]

27. Oh dear...

I mean deer...

[Desertrose]

30. I knew this was PA before I even clicked the link....

....lived there too many years I guess.

They take their deer huntin' seriously.

[Township75]

32. ON EDIT: since the edit time has expired, let me point something out

this isn't about bashing hunters. For those that are, think about this:

As we approach the Christmas shopping season, are you going to be surprised to hear about two women fighting over a parking space? Two men fighting along a road because one cut-off the other?

This isn't an issue confined by hunting, it is throughout our society. Likely beyond "our" society too.

[PavePusher]

36. Come on, broad-brushing and extrapolating from 1.....

is the official sport of this site!

Or it sure seems like it some days....

[mrmpa]

39. Isn't the first day of deer hunting in Pennsylvania, the first...

monday after Thanksgiving in November? If I'm right, these 2 men will be fined for out of season hunting.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Alternate headline - Hyenas squabble over carrion.